Camaro SS 10th place by Motortrend?

[APCamaro]

Seriously, i think this is BS!!! its was like the 5th fastest car!!!
A freaking miata in 3rd place!!! BS :angry::mad:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0910_2009_best_drivers_car/2010_chevrolet_camaro_ss.html

[POWERFREAK]

Look at it this way...the Camaro made MT's top 10 best "drivers cars" list.

I didn't even know they still made a miata. Honestly though, they were comparing it to some pretty expensive cars (except the miata).

[APCamaro]

Look at it this way...the Camaro made MT's top 10 best "drivers cars" list.

I didn't even know they still made a miata. Honestly though, they were comparing it to some pretty expensive cars (except the miata).

you are right :), but its still annoying that a miata was freaking 3rd place :(

[POWERFREAK]

you are right :), but its still annoying that a miata was freaking 3rd place :(


the auto-rags have always had a special soft-spot for that ugly little car.

[TX_SS]

The people making up the list (i'm sure it wasn't an objective list), were obviously gay, I'm surprised the VW Golf Cabriolet convertible wasn't on the list.

:P

[Lightfighter]

Wow! That's almost like a slap in the face. 10th place. I would've given it 5th, or 6th. IMO, the ZR1 should've been first. They stated, "If you're going to drive this car (the ZR1) fast," says Pobst, "it is very much a car where you've got to be paying attention and on your game." In other words, withdraw for a moment, and the ZR1 can easily shout, Surprise! To be the Best Driver's Car, there should be no surprises." Hell, that's what good drivers should be doing, "paying attention and on your game". Heck, I like a car that has a few surprises hidden at the ragged edge. Keeps my skills sharp.

GM needs to take note and produce the Z/28, it's factory-tuned version of the Camaro SS. Ford has the GT500, and Nissan has the NISMO Z. GM, let's get with the program! ;)

[SS112]

Ok will somebody tell me how the ZR1 got only SIXTH?!?!? I remember watching an episode of Top Gear, where they tested it in the U.S. and they loved it! Said it was one of the best sports cars ever built. Lightfighter is right and it shoulda been first. If you ask me I think Motor Trend is biased towards imports in this competition:lol:

[trenchdog73]

All I have to say is that I wouldn't trust the judgment of anyone putting a graph out that looks like this because they seem a bit confused and apparently like things that are overly complicated :0).
http://image.motortrend.com/f/29414994+w750/best-drivers-car-final-analysis-graph.jpg

[CamaroSS/RS]

wow that graph sucked horribly

[edawgdesigns.com]

You can feel better about the comparo from Edmunds:

2010 Camaro SS vs. 2009 Challenger SRT8 vs. 2010 Shelby GT500 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=154386)

The 2010 SS placed 2nd, different test criteria but up against formidable competition none the less. :thumbsup:

[Tommy35SS]

You can feel better about the comparo from Edmunds:

2010 Camaro SS vs. 2009 Challenger SRT8 vs. 2010 Shelby GT500 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=154386)

The 2010 SS placed 2nd, different test criteria but up against formidable competition none the less. :thumbsup:

X2 :thumbsup:

[marodude]

You can feel better about the comparo from Edmunds:

2010 Camaro SS vs. 2009 Challenger SRT8 vs. 2010 Shelby GT500 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=154386)

The 2010 SS placed 2nd, different test criteria but up against formidable competition none the less. :thumbsup:

:cool: Great Link man! Nice to know you can get one of the top three muscle cars at a reasonable price. According to edmunds $50,000 v. $36,000. :5go:

[Badkarma]

All I have to say is that I wouldn't trust the judgment of anyone putting a graph out that looks like this because they seem a bit confused and apparently like things that are overly complicated :0).
http://image.motortrend.com/f/29414994+w750/best-drivers-car-final-analysis-graph.jpg

This guys have been watching too much Stargate SG1.

[Devryn]

The ZR1 got SIXTH Place? WTFH?

[louperrault]

What did you expect from motortrend? I purchased a car that they (later) identified as thier car of the year....it was in the junk yard after 16 months. I don't trust what they write. The ZR1 is in 1st and the camaro is 2nd lol

[chevyss]

MT is bias. I think they are paid off by Ford. I agree on the Mazda. What a POS car it is. I think I'd rather walk than drive one of those.

[Camaro_Ohio]

I thought the article was pretty reasonable. Camaro was 7th or 8th fastest around the track (did beat 370Z NIZMO and BMW 135i !), but like everyone is reporting, it pushes bad. If you are looking for a "Driver's Car" as this article allegedly is, you are NOT going to pick a car that understeers - that really does just sap all the fun out of the twisties.

I was impressed with the Camaro's showing: very comfortable, and still outran a couple of more sporty cars.

[DET MSCL]

This guys have been watching too much Stargate SG1.

:rotflmao:

[Chron]

MT is bias. I think they are paid off by Ford. I agree on the Mazda. What a POS car it is. I think I'd rather walk than drive one of those.

LOL!!! I almost pissed myself...but this is a true statement!!!!!:lol::lol::lol::D

[USA1Camaro]

Looks like the "judges" really piled on the Camaro.

[04Z7106MCSS10CSS]

I've been subscribed to Motor Trend since 1994. When it runs out, I will not renew. Ever since C. Van Tune left, the magazine has lost it's objectivity. The writers seemed to be more concerned with having a contest among themselves to try to "out wit" each other with insults to American cars. All it shows is that they need to go back to school and take Advanced Composition again. Their views have no consistency, and show bias worse then a Washington lobbyist.

[el ess X]

Ah, just another poll done by a select few that cater to one genre over another and without the support of enough of a sample to get good results.

I don't go by polls. But, if 4,000 people on this board says the Camaro performed like a pig because they owned and drove them, then I'd be more inclined to believe that then some rag doing crazy stuff to sell magazines. We're buying a Camaro because it's the car we want with the understanding it may not peform/look to our exact standards in every single category, but overall will be the best choice for us.

[Lightfighter]

Ah, just another poll done by a select few that cater to one genre over another and without the support of enough of a sample to get good results.

I don't go by polls. But, if 4,000 people on this board says the Camaro performed like a pig because they owned and drove them, then I'd be more inclined to believe that then some rag doing crazy stuff to sell magazines. We're buying a Camaro because it's the car we want with the understanding it may not peform/look to our exact standards in every single category, but overall will be the best choice for us.

Amen! I concur. The Camaro may not be perfect, but it is a great starting point. With the right mods, it has the potential to be truly awesome and a car to be feared. Look out GT500's, there's a new sheriff coming to town! :lol:

[Big Phil]

How can they praise the car in one issue, then rate 10th place behind the bmw 1, shelby stang, and a MIATA <------------ WTH???? which beat the ZR1 too????

I'm canceling my subscription today.

Read about it hear:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0910_2009_best_drivers_car/2010_chevrolet_camaro_ss.html

[JoSSh]

I don't expect you to know every thread ever made, but this was already pointed out:

http://www.moderncamaro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16695&highlight=motor+trend

Normal rule of thumb: do a quick search before making a thread.

[brandonppr]

Threads merged.

[CamaroFTW]

Eh... what do you expect..... the averages that MT are basing the tests on are all just shy of the capabilities they tested the Camaro at.....this is just all industry propaganda to hate on the Camaro cause its such an immaculate design, it has flaws like every other car but they consistently ride the same three or four flaws. i don't read that stuff because the American industry is so "left or right side" that they fail to set their differences aside and focus on the real problem....the Japanese market and other import markets :bat:

[mucker15]

I think MT is way off here. The car is a muscle car not a corvette. How about a comparision between a base SS and a Base stang GT not a track pack stang Id like to see how the live axle holds up in that test. Its like its fixed to help out fors every test the car has a track pack its a joke, Chevy will be offering a suspension package soon enough

[BudgetPlan1]

Seriously, i think this is BS!!! its was like the 5th fastest car!!!
A freaking miata in 3rd place!!! BS :angry::mad:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0910_2009_best_drivers_car/2010_chevrolet_camaro_ss.html

Did you even read the article? They mentioned 'Drivers Car' was a subjective thing and not just about speed. Ever drive a mini cooper? Technically slow as sh*t but still a ballbust to drive, like a little go cart on rails.

Many of the cars in this test like that; not the fastest, but *fun*.

[brandonppr]

I have yet to drive the new Camaro, but have driven a G8. based on that I can see why the Camaro would lose this challenge. I thinks its more of a handling car. Pick the best line on the track and drive it. Rather than a car that every corner your sliding thru and control the coner with the throttle. I think the tight handling hurts this. This car seems more refined and I don't think a refined car could top this list even thought the CTSV did do better than the camaro, but the extra power probley makes it able to kick easier. Also the Camaro has tall and wide tires, again making it tighter in the turns. Put some tires the size of what came on 80's camaros and I bet it will be very loose.

I kinda feel the same way about my 98 Camaro drag car. It being able to almost dead hook on the street takes some of the fun away. Sure it blows away my old 82 camaro, but the 82 was fun to drive with its 14" narrow tires. It would break sideways easy. I would burn the tires off if I just stomped it from a dead stop.

I've been thinking about getting a 79 Trans Am for that very reason. Just something fun to play around with. Something I can just leave stock and kick sideways when I want to.

I can drive my Camaro on the street, but its just not that fun. Its too serious.

Now with the new Camaro I think it could probley be modded to meet the needs of the driver. For the average driver though I think the more refined adittude of the new Camaro is what they want. Something that looks hot and but is refined. Something that can be comfortable to drive every single day.

[mucker15]

I read most articles out there and have noticed also the few negatives being pounded home over and over again

[Big Phil]

Read the whole article.

Conclusion of Analysis = It was the most biased piece of subjective automotive journalism i have ever read in my 36 years of existence.

The only reason the mazda placed 3rd was because they were at "Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca".

[GQ4Life]

camaro cheapest price outside miata. plus test is handlin biased. mad they used nismo instead of regular z..
ZR1 lost cuz he scared..

[Taglane]

Has anyone driven or even ridden in a Miata?

anyone? I have and it's pretty fun. Go kart-like handling, agile and sharp. I totally prefer the Camaro's rumbly V8, but the Miata's not so bad. Not 3rd place good, but pretty good. We all know if MT wasn't on Mazda and Ford's payroll, the Camaro would be closer to 1st. ;)

[GQ4Life]

Has anyone driven or even ridden in a Miata?

anyone?

yea.. not the new one.. a 2001 miata. it handle good but was extremely slow. heard new ones faster but havent driven.

[Taglane]

Well they've improved over the last decade


no I'm not defending mazda, just saying that their ranking of the miata isn't that far off.

[GQ4Life]

Well they've improved over the last decade


no I'm not defending mazda, just saying that their ranking of the miata isn't that far off.

for those cars it is..
they just like the rest of the magazines.. they r biased.. we just need to find a chevy biased magazine..
or do a compare of 1SS camaro and a Mustang GT delux (the one without the handling pack)\
make compare even. camaro doesnt offer a track package so they shouldnt use mustangs..

that whole motor trend article all messed up..
the ZR1 won like almost every category and it took 5th place cuz driver was scared.. GAY!!!! :angry:
Maybe I should just start my own car magazine.. Im not totally biased..
maybe slighty toward domestic. power and handling should be rated even..
none of these gay i picked this SPORTs car over another because there was more backseat room.. come on..
for opinion rated things like looks and feel. They should get random 100 people to rate for looks and sit in for interior comfort..
ok i'll shut up

[Taglane]

I agree. The Camaro may not be a Continental and the Vette may not be an F430, but they do what they do- and they do it well.

Of course they have a bias. I wouldn't say they hate domestics, but lets just say I'm surprised even one Domestic is on the list. I'm actually shocked they didn't pick a BMW as the winner in their "American Muscle" shootout....

[Z06Shame]

Just consider the source, nuff said

[mkaresh]

I read most articles out there and have noticed also the few negatives being pounded home over and over again

Wouldn't the reviews be less credible if they each had a different problem with the car?

Many reviews have criticized both the ZR1 (and even more the Z06) for being unnecessarily difficult and even downright scary to drive fast. Personally, when I'm driving a challenging, unfamiliar road I prefer and most enjoy a car that's clearly communicative and predictable. Mazdas are among the best in this regard--very easy to drive near their limits.

That said, different people have different tastes in cars. If you're honest to your own tastes, that's as objective as you can be. Though this particular comparison gave little or no weight to track times, there's no such thing as an entirely objective review.

Pretty much forever there have been some enthusiasts with a taste for agile handling, and others with a taste for a hefty feel and brute power. Classic British sports cars were almost all terribly slow. Classic muscle cars all handled terribly. In recent years sports cars have gotten more powerful, and muscle cars have gotten better handling, but the divide remains.

In this instance, the Camaro was a muscle car in a sports car test. This is somewhat like entering a beer in a wine competition. Doesn't matter how good a beer it is, it's going to place last.

[hotrodrigue]

Well explained mkaresh.

I prefer the muscle :D

[mucker15]

Wouldn't the reviews be less credible if they each had a different problem with the car?

In this instance, the Camaro was a muscle car in a sports car test. This is somewhat like entering a beer in a wine competition. Doesn't matter how good a beer it is, it's going to place last.

I just think from what I have read the positives in some instances could have been pushed a bit more. your 100% right on the beer/wine thing

I for one and i think im not alone just want to see 2010 GT sans track pack vrs. 2010 SS Camaro straight up. The inclusion of the track pack option in every test stang is annoying.

[zweb620]

how did a mazda make 3rd