newbie spotted some cool stuff!

[roaduscarnivorous]

hey guys,

i just signed up here :D anyway, on the way home today, i *spied* a camaro prototype in what is probably the close-to-final production form!!! :lol: it was for a movie shoot. photos attached

it was in ss trim, meaning a v8? automatic, silver w/ black interior. i have to say, it was BEAUTIFUL. i had my doubts 'cuz the camaro concept i saw at the la autoshow was HUGE, which seemed to be the trend of retro muscle cars. the mustang is about one or two sizes too large and the new challenger is also ginormous. the styling of this new camaro is quite a success and really wow'd me. it didn't seem oversized at all and is in fact (at least seemed) quite a nice compact size for a sporty car. the tail is high and sufficiently short, with nice but not overly cluttered details. the front is aggressive and but not overly showy. and when seen direct front on it looked pretty wide and a bit menancing. the profile is simple and nice. there're lots of edges and lines like the c6 'vette, and overally there was not a fault w/ this design seen in person by me. i also got a look at the interior, which is really a good mix of retro styling cues and modern slick look. i especially like the 4 gauges on the center console

one other interesting thing, this car had a moonroof, which looks a bit funny on a muscle car. the moonroof shows how wide the car is, and also that it looks like the production version lost the twin-bubble roof look of the concept car stolen from the c6 'vette. that's all ;)

[dRanT22]

It's looking good, can't tell if thats a BBK or not. Is that the Brembo's just painted silver?

[kyvrwc]

Good catch. That's two prototypes I've seen pictures of with a moonroof, which is what I want.

[kyvrwc]

Oh, and welcome.

[OverAnxious]

Nice find! Way to introduce yourself to the site :cool:

Any idea what movie it was for?

[roaduscarnivorous]

the pair of police posted there told me it was some tv movie w/ christian slater :cool:

the car looked really good :lol:

[BROOKLYN1]

do u remember tire size and rim size?

[camarorick]

Thanks for the pics..... you didn't by chance get any interior pics ??

[PhoenixDeath27]

it says SS!!!!!!!!! ON THE GRILE!

[USMC]

Welcome aboard and great pictures.

SF
Rick

[09SemperSS]

Perfect. Things I've noticed: Moonroof, front badge reading "Z28" or "SS" right near the right hand side of the grill. Final badging on the front end is a slightly bent bow-tie. Finished rear-end, still a bit..ugly, but those mufflers will be gone.

[Jinx]

Badass. Im a little pissed about the reverse lights and the horrible placing of the SS badges and that little bump between the fogs and wheelwell needs to go. Not to crazy about the production changes. I like the prototype front bumper better. Oh well, I still get one and it still looks good.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/jinxergt/spy22.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/jinxergt/spy23.jpg

[roaduscarnivorous]

thanks :thumbsup:

the badge says ss. there's actually an ss badge on the rear right next to the tail lights that didn't show up in the photo. also, the two or three hash indentations in front of the rear wheel wells were funny. they emulate the ones on the original car but are totally stylistic, and very hard to see, almost a carricature

i had a good look at the interior but i didn't take any photos. i felt a little bad taking these 'cuz i chatted w/ the guy and he was really nice and i was afraid he'd get into trouble. i liked the interior a lot. it's basically a faithful, realistic, and functional translation of the show car's interior. i especially liked the quad gauges on the center console. overall, the interior looked pretty slick, not cheaply retro like the mustang's interior. it also seemed pretty snug, which i like. there seemed to be very little leg room for the back seats, which isn't that surprising. the bowtie on the front grill was a bit too big and shiny (i kinda wish it'd have the classic camaro logo/badge instead), but my impression of the car's inside and out was very positive

[09SemperSS]

Give us details before you get sworn in to the focus group\and or black SUV'd.

[usmc190]

Nice pics! Seems to good to be true that GM would give a TV movie a finished product before the unveilling, but if so I salute you for your intel. Definately haven't seen these pics before.

[Jinx]

Give us details before you get sworn in to the focus group\and or black SUV'd.

+1

Also, to the OP, size reference? Seem larger or smaller than a Mustang.
Can you describe the headlights more?

On a discussion standpoint, if this is the SS; then I will be shopping for in aftermarket grille that puts the SS badge in place of the bowtie, and be removing the CAMARO lettering from the fenders, along with the Gm logo at the bottom, and removing the bowtie on the rear deck and replacing it with the SS.
The SS on the side, makes it look like an afterthought and cluttered. We know its a Chevy.

[09SemperSS]

haha. I agree. I completely plan on taking the "SS" badge off of my Monte Carlo and forcing it to fit in the Camaro bow-tie. Don't need a big damn Chevrolet emblem on there! But, I imagine that they will have these from Chevrolet, available at launch, without a doubt.

[Sean_W]

You should keep in mind, if this is for a movie, Hollywood could have put the finishing touches anywhere they wanted to. This includes badges and such. They may have been given an unfished model and they had to fabricate the rest. There's still no way to know if this is a finished look.

[brantley847]

I kinda like the bow tie front and back....the badging for the SS is not to flashy which is great...However, noooooottttt a huge fan of the reverse lights, then again I dont really have a better idea of where to place them. I notice the XM ant. is also not painted with the body color, I hope this is because it is pre-pro, I know there was some gripe about this issue on other vehicles, not to mention I am a sirius man and I need a damn merger.....all in all its has come along nicely.

Also,has anyone else noticed as a newbie this kind sir knows a whole hell of alot about the questions we have been asking and inquiring in the recent weeks. For some reason I don't think the burbans are coming after him...I think this is a lil bit of that ...GM keeping us occupied and giddy until September with "spy shots" ..*COUGH* *COUGH*...no really, thanks GM :roxor:

[brantley847]

and be removing the CAMARO lettering from the fenders.

SIR!!! SIR!!!!! BLASPHEMY!!!!!......

that is unacceptable:lol:

[brandonppr]

Wow Very NICE!!! Welcome!

[POWERFREAK]

NICE....welcome to the site!!! Great pix...I'd say it's probably the closest thing to a "production" SS we've seen.

It's hard to tell for sure in those pix, but the bowtie's look silver (especially the back)...were they gold?

[OctaneSS/RS]

OMG I must have it. :drool:

Nice find! :thumbsup:

[OverAnxious]

+1

Also, to the OP, size reference? Seem larger or smaller than a Mustang.
Can you describe the headlights more?

On a discussion standpoint, if this is the SS; then I will be shopping for in aftermarket grille that puts the SS badge in place of the bowtie, and be removing the CAMARO lettering from the fenders, along with the Gm logo at the bottom, and removing the bowtie on the rear deck and replacing it with the SS.
The SS on the side, makes it look like an afterthought and cluttered. We know its a Chevy.
While those emblems follow the usual Chevy format emblems will be gone from any Camaro in my driveway :D

[USA1Camaro]

Welcome to the site.

Great catch with the pics.

[LorcinLS1]

Man that car looks good

[gavin]

WOW... when i get it in black ... its gonna be sexy as hell..... this car is Awesome!

[cam346]

yes welcome to the site. i like the look of the front but those muffler have to go. make mine black or silver.

[thelastz28]

I love it. :D

[roaduscarnivorous]

thanks for all the responses :D

a few more thoughts and things from my encounter :lol: one thing that really tipped me off that this was close to production form was that it had the little silver gm square emblem behind the front wheel wells. all the little details, like side markers and interior trim, were all very tidy and production-like, and consistent w/ the white and black and yellow cars in the other spy photos. the bowties front and back were golden; i guess that's a current chevy thing. like i said, i wish they'd put the classic camaro emblem on it instead but that's easily fixed ;)

i don't know what size those wheels were, but definitely 18" or 17". i liked the wheel design. they weren't huge or bling bling, just the right size. i did get closer looks at some of the details but didn't take more photos 'cuz the guy was there and he was really nice and chatty w/ me and i didn't want to get him into trouble. last night i was all over the internet googling this car and read that ed pepper thing so i don't feel so bad now since he encouraged people to photograph these :D i guess i'm being used as a tool of their viral marketing :rolleyes:

anyway, the headlight details. they were slightly more complex than the show car's but nicer looking and more complete than some of the other running mules. there was a set of inboard turn signal lights next to the semi-circular main headlights. they were all integrated into a whole unit. i'll try to draw a ghetto picture later ;)

size of the car. i was extremely pleased with the size. i used to be a huge f-body-vs-mustang fan when i was in high school and college and for the longest time pined and pined for a 4th-gen ss (t-top, navy blue or sunset orange, 6-speed, slp :thumbsup:). when the s197 mustang came out, i thought the styling was too rough and mostly that it was oversized for a pony car. i still think that whenever i see one. i liked the challenger quite a bit 'till i saw it in last month's r&t where they put in a photo of one next to an original challenger; the car looked twice as tall as the original! ridiculous! this car that i saw was perfect. part of it might just be that i was pretty hyped up by the whole experience, but it really looked tight and athletic. i would not be embarrassed if they sold this car in europe. it did seem pretty wide, and looking at the moonroof affirmed that 'cuz there was quite a bit of space b/t the side edge of the moonroof and the roof edge. i would probably not get one w/ the moonroof and rather they left in the c6-like roof groove. it looked really cool head-on, even my gf was impressed; it'd be a pretty cool sight in the rear view mirror. the photos i took were high res (i'll post them in my flickr and post link soon for those interested) and i cropped and shrinked before i posted. i redid the shot of the rear to give a size comparison. the car parked in front of it was a mercedes 190e, the original baby benz. the camaro does seem a bit bigger than the 190 but keep in mind that the 190 was a pretty small car, and it looks that the camaro has a lower overall height

the guy told me that there're about 50 of these prototypes running around, all of them were v8. i don't think he had anything to do w/ the development team, maybe testing or marketing, 'cuz he didn't know anything about the v6, let along price. this silver car was freshly painted the previous day; it used to be black. here's a potentially bad part: he also told me that they might push back the launch date :eek: now how reliable all this was, i don't know. he does work for gm some way or other

i'll drive around the neighborhood again today to see if they're back. and if they are, i'll take more photos :D

[POWERFREAK]

could you tell if the front air vent was open???

[09SemperSS]

Hah. If they push back the launch date again I will be buying a Challenger. Sick of Chevrolet jerking us around. Little leaks like this are awesome, and I love my Camaro, but for the love of god, RELEASE SOME HARD INFORMATION, GM! - Anyways, rant over, tell us when you get those hi-res shots uploaded. I've already made an avatar of your picture, now I want a background. :D

[OctaneSS/RS]

Here's a picture to confirm what that grille emblem says. ;)

http://www.5thgen.org/images/SpyShots/grillebadge.jpg

[brandonppr]

This leads me to believe that Z28 will be above SS.

[Camaro Scotty]

I see mufflers. Personally, that would be the first aftermarket change I'd have to invest in....they just don't look SEXY. I need some shiney STAINLESS STEEL CANS GLEAMING if that stays exposed.....It's like showing people your underwear with your pants drooping down.....Do you want them to see plain old white hanes, or sexy silk boxers........JMO :-)

[Camaro Scotty]

OH, I would have watermarked my name on those pics......Now they're headed for MOTOR TREND, and you won't get credit!

[LT16SPEED]

I know GM wants the world to know that this beautiful car is a Chevy, but I think the bowtie is WAY too big. I'll be putting a classic SS badge in the center of the grill and between the taillamps on a blacked out tail panel!:thumbsup: BTW, can someone photoshop my idea? Thanks!

[Topher]

:drool: March can't come fast enough :drool:

[206Camaro]

wheres the T-TOPS?? haha damn i want that car sooooooooooooooooooo bad!

[1off]

Something just doesn't seem right with the sun roof... hmm, yeah, needs t-tops (despite the leaking habbits of their past). Nice shots, that gives me a better idea of what I will be shaving off after another possible year long wait. :roxor:

[CamaroCliff]

sweet pix! thanks

and welcome to the site

[09SemperSS]

I agree, should have watermarked. However, this does a lot for everyone of the Camaro community. You'll always be a 5thgen.org hero. Plus you can tell your grand kids you were single handedly responsible for releasing the first-ever new SS Camaro pictures.

[09SemperSS]

any update on those high-res shots?

[GoTeamCamaro]

those pics are it..final.. no more changes.. hope you all love it and buy one.. or two..

It is a shame GM cant keep their cars under wraps until they are launched.. we dont know what the next Mustang will look like.. but we wont be at all surprised with the official launch of the Camaro

[Jinx]

those pics are it..final.. no more changes.. hope you all love it and buy one.. or two..

It is a shame GM cant keep their cars under wraps until they are launched.. we dont know what the next Mustang will look like.. but we wont be at all surprised with the official launch of the Camaro

Im glad they can't :lol:

Im glad this is it. The SS ive been wanting. Now I still like to catch a certain color blue version running around.....if there is one.

and some headlight detail pics.

[09SemperSS]

Hm. Well, I like it. Nice and simple. Needs some new mufflers. I won't complain as long as it's 28-29k, I can finance for a 7 year loan and be good to go. :D

[SlvrV6Camaro]

those pics are it..final.. no more changes.. hope you all love it and buy one.. or two..

It is a shame GM cant keep their cars under wraps until they are launched.. we dont know what the next Mustang will look like.. but we wont be at all surprised with the official launch of the Camaro

The new stang is just a face lift, nobody is excited to see that since there is already 50,000 of mustangs on each street. Now this new fresh off the market camaro is something worth looking it.:):):)

IMO this looks more like a "Base" model car then a SS I mean the SS generally has more on it then the base car...and well that looks exactly like the concept which I always figured as a base model for it.

[brandonppr]

Ok if thats it then its time for mods:
fill in header panal
remove SS and bowtie
Replace bowtie with larger SS embem from Silverado or something.
R and R rear bowtie with same SS Emblem
Change mufflers
Lower a bit

[Jinx]

Well I think all the pre-pro bumpers are the v6 bumpers and these pics show the SS bumpers.

The SS bumper seems lower, the air dam is further out, the lower grille is wide and taller, and it has bumps on the outside

I think the minor difference between V6 and SS are going to be as simple as the difference between V6 Mustang and GT:

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-460x301/Ford_Mustang_2007_aw.jpg
http://www.mustangmotorsport.com.au/images/08_models/v6/pony_package.jpg
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5313&d=1214029055
http://www.motordaily.net/gm_camaro_prototype.jpg

[tommyistommy]

Wow excellent pictures. Would anyone happen to know if the moonroof slides into the roof or does it pop up first then extend back? I have a prelude that goes up then back now and I don't like the look or how it shakes at higher speeds

[Sean_W]

Wow excellent pictures. Would anyone happen to know if the moonroof slides into the roof or does it pop up first then extend back? I have a prelude that goes up then back now and I don't like the look or how it shakes at higher speeds

Well, if the satelite (onstar) antenna is a permanent feature, I would guess that it would just pop up with a single lever. No sliding at all. it would hit the antenna is slid back, and there's not enough roof for it to slide internally. Of course, I could be wrong. It's anyones quess at this point.

[demonspeed]

I'll skip on the moonroof.

Looks like it's gonna have those goofy reverse lights. Why?!?!?!

It would be nice to have the standard Camaro emblem up front rather than that bowtie. The Corvette doesn't have huge bowties all over the place. The Mustang doesn't have a huge blue oval up front either. Keep the bowtie in the back, but give us the Camaro emblem up front!







Or let's hope the aftermarket gets us something fast!

[Jekyll-N-Hyde]

I'll skip on the moonroof.

Looks like it's gonna have those goofy reverse lights. Why?!?!?!

It would be nice to have the standard Camaro emblem up front rather than that bowtie. The Corvette doesn't have huge bowties all over the place. The Mustang doesn't have a huge blue oval up front either. Keep the bowtie in the back, but give us the Camaro emblem up front!







Or let's hope the aftermarket gets us something fast!



Everyone is not going to like what they see and thats why aftermarket makes so much money off of us. I agree with the moonroof situation to me thats something "I" could do without but im sure someone is loving it lol

Early Camaro's Came with Blue Bowties in the Grille work and when you see them you know/knew its a Camaro.
If I have be wearing a Camaro emblem in my grille work to know or tell what it is then we might need to ask gm to do a better job at trying to make it look like a Camaro.

There are a lot of things im sure a lot of people dont like about this car but there are also a lot of things people love.
The best part is we have our dislikes as well as likes and that gives GM something to work towards for future Camaros therefore we are not left lost in whats next for this car in the future ?????????????????

If I want a V6 I want the Chevy Bowtie in my Grille work !!!!!! And if I want otherwise I will pay and buy the car and get my Z28 emblem !!!!!!
I'm starting to lean away from the SS badge on these new cars in todays society.

Gm has proven to us any car can wear an SS badge these days but only a Camaro can Wear the Z28 name.
I got my SS and nothing will push it back for what it is.
Years ago wearing the SS badge was pride for a Camaro today its nothing but another emblem GM seems to be throwing around.

Give us a Bowtie and let aftermarket let you mark your own vehicle the way you like it !!!!!! therefore we dont have a lot of the same looking cars crusing around.

I just hope GM doesnt sell there Z28 or SS badges aftermarket to just anyone off the street at the dealership wihtout proof of own the car because seeing cars that are cloned on the street when they are on the lots only defeat the purpose of having that car.

Mustang people have car at every streetlight that look the same. See one you have seen them all !!!!!!!!!!! but you see an SS or a Z28 and you're like Wow look a Camaro !!!! which one ?

[demonspeed]

I just hope GM doesnt sell there Z28 or SS badges aftermarket to just anyone off the street at the dealership wihtout proof of own the car because seeing cars that are cloned on the street when they are on the lots only defeat the purpose of having that car.

We won't have to worry about the aftermarket. Anyone can go to any GM parts counter and get the emblems.

And you're right, there will always be something people don't like. For me, it's most the those reverse lights. I can change the grill.

[ChrisL]

the guy told me that there're about 50 of these prototypes running around

there arent 50 of those running around. not yet anyway.

[tommyistommy]

Well, if the satelite (onstar) antenna is a permanent feature, I would guess that it would just pop up with a single lever. No sliding at all. it would hit the antenna is slid back, and there's not enough roof for it to slide internally. Of course, I could be wrong. It's anyones quess at this point.

I didn't even consider that, but that would be logical considering the cars proportions/antenna location. I would not pay extra for a pop up moonroof, and I'm not sure who would, but from the looks of things that's how the moonroof functions :confused:

[Fbodfather]

Hah. If they push back the launch date again I will be buying a Challenger. Sick of Chevrolet jerking us around. Little leaks like this are awesome, and I love my Camaro, but for the love of god, RELEASE SOME HARD INFORMATION, GM! - Anyways, rant over, tell us when you get those hi-res shots uploaded. I've already made an avatar of your picture, now I want a background. :D

Launch Date is NOT moved back --

go to www.chevrolet.com/camaro -- sign up -- and we'll notify you when the info. goes out -- target is last day or so of July or early August......

[slims00ls1z28]

Nice pics! Welcome aboard.

As said before this adds more belief to me that the SS will be the mids model and the Z will be the top model.

[LorcinLS1]

I'm not feeling the sun roof. We are having a tough time between vert or hard top. I like the badging the way it is. The exhaust will probably be the first thing to go along with a cam install.:roxor:

Jinx, I'm not crazy about the reverse lights either, although I need to see it in person.

[thatfire96]

Is it just me or do the headlights look different then the other prototypes.

[Topher]

I dont know if that was meant as a joke, but ill answer with a yes they are def different which is why this looks like a production model

[kyvrwc]

Well, if the satelite (onstar) antenna is a permanent feature, I would guess that it would just pop up with a single lever. No sliding at all. it would hit the antenna is slid back, and there's not enough roof for it to slide internally. Of course, I could be wrong. It's anyones quess at this point.

I think the angle at which these photos are taken is deceiving. If you look at these pictures of the Bumblebee car taken at Drexel University from above, you can see that there should be plenty of space for the moonroof to slide under. Admittedly, the Bumblebee car is not a production car, but it's proportions are supposed to be close as it was molded off of the concept's molds.

Ultimately, we'll have to wait and see.

Pics of Bumblebee from above

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/bumblebee-goes-to-philly/862653/full/

[Z28 Autobot]

wow..welcome and thanks

[Speed Kills]

you can see that there should be plenty of space for the moonroof to slide under.

If GM follow suit with the 2008 CTS, the roof will retract internally.

Me likey! :D

[KevinK]

...nice shots, ...I was wondering where they came from :)

[87Formula]

Awesome...yea uhm thanks GM for keeping us wanting it, and not releasing it yet. I wonder what is in the works for the TRANS AM...that...we will need for sure. can't have one without the other, it wouldn't be right. Hopefully we can get a new camaro with our club to auto fair here in charlotte sometime, but highly unlikely :-) keep the pics comming.:roxor::patriot:

[demonspeed]

Awesome...yea uhm thanks GM for keeping us wanting it, and not releasing it yet. I wonder what is in the works for the TRANS AM...that...we will need for sure. can't have one without the other, it wouldn't be right. Hopefully we can get a new camaro with our club to auto fair here in charlotte sometime, but highly unlikely :-) keep the pics comming.:roxor::patriot:

With everything going on with the brands of GM, I don't expect to ever see another Firebird. I'm a Camaro guy, so I could care less, but I know it pains many people.

I can't imagine Jeep being around forever, dwindling it to Dodge and Chrysler. It's only a matter of time before Mercury is gone leaving us with Ford and Lincoln. Will we see a world with just Chevrolet and Cadillac? I think it would benefit us so they stop spending so much time and money rebadaging the same vehicles.

[cjh1505]

that looks production to me ! digital antenna,clear back-up lights and flat roof with moonroof. i am pumped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dshane]

Is it just me or does newbie seem to be not so new?

[bigjohns97]

Is it just me or does newbie seem to be not so new?

Nah, just you.. :lol:

[jkidd]

I can't imagine Jeep being around forever, dwindling it to Dodge and Chrysler. It's only a matter of time before Mercury is gone leaving us with Ford and Lincoln. Will we see a world with just Chevrolet and Cadillac? I think it would benefit us so they stop spending so much time and money rebadaging the same vehicles.

I don't understand the reference between Chrysler's purchase of Jeep, and rebadging? FWIW, Jeep isn't going away any time soon, if ever.

[CUONCRS]

I don't understand the reference between Chrysler's purchase of Jeep, and rebadging? FWIW, Jeep isn't going away any time soon, if ever.

Yeah, Jeep will out-live Chrysler at this pace.

[brantley847]

I don't understand the reference between Chrysler's purchase of Jeep, and rebadging? FWIW, Jeep isn't going away any time soon, if ever.

Agreed...and I don't know about you guys but I don't see Ford going away as much as some of you may wish...this truly makes no sense to me. Ford keeps GM dealers humble..period.

With that said, I've always preferred Chevy...but we need Ford and Dodge to keep camaro pricing modest.

Also, I have no problem wit the bowtie on the grill..in fact it would seem almost plain without it because it has grown on me with the chop shots. I do agree, it need not be "over badged"

[CUONCRS]

I do like the idea of the SS on the front/center instead of the bowtie, though. Everyone's going to know it's a Chevy, and the V6 can have the bowtie. That may be something I do to mine, change that badge. Sounds cool.

[Jinx]

With everything going on with the brands of GM, I don't expect to ever see another Firebird. I'm a Camaro guy, so I could care less, but I know it pains many people.

I can't imagine Jeep being around forever, dwindling it to Dodge and Chrysler. It's only a matter of time before Mercury is gone leaving us with Ford and Lincoln. Will we see a world with just Chevrolet and Cadillac? I think it would benefit us so they stop spending so much time and money rebadaging the same vehicles.

Actually Mercury is in the working of being axed, from what Ive heard. lol.

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

I'm not so keen on the 2 badges on the grille. When I saw the black convertible picture, the car stuck me as a whole without the Bow-tie. Dare I encourage the marketing people, but that big gold Bow-tie sticks out too much and your eyes get drawn to it. A nice SS in the center front and back is what I'm hoping for.

[Col Klink]

those pics are it..final.. no more changes.. hope you all love it and buy one.. or two..

It is a shame GM cant keep their cars under wraps until they are launched.. we dont know what the next Mustang will look like.. but we wont be at all surprised with the official launch of the Camaro


Looks damn good, agree with the negative comments re reversing lights - horizontal by plate or just tucked under the bumper near the exhaust pipes, I'm sure my freindly panel shop wil be able to sort.

[CAMAROMAN]

Wow, very nice pics! I like the car. I like the bbt (big bow tie). I like the car!

[Topher]

think the bowties will come in silver? (If they already do, please excuse my ignorance as a driver of a ford)

[87Formula]

so i've seen drawings of a new trans am, and hate all you want....but the TA drawings blow the camaro out of the water and make look like a matchbox toy. not to mention.. a 6.6 litre engine? hmmmm either way, i dont think GM needs..hummer...or slaaab..hehe or half of the junk they've got anymore. i heard a rumour that GM is pushing pontiac to go all RWD, like a performance division, no FWD ricers in pontiac? hmmm

[tommyistommy]

so i've seen drawings of a new trans am, and hate all you want....but the TA drawings blow the camaro out of the water and make look like a matchbox toy. not to mention.. a 6.6 litre engine? hmmmm either way, i dont think GM needs..hummer...or slaaab..hehe or half of the junk they've got anymore. i heard a rumour that GM is pushing pontiac to go all RWD, like a performance division, no FWD ricers in pontiac? hmmm

I'll be the first to say I think Trans Am's have always looked better then Camaros, regardless of year. I agree that the 5th gen T/A renderings look better then the Camaro. That being said, I can't see GM bringing a Firebird/Trans Am version of the 5th gen. Gm is trying to reduce badge swaps, and give each brand a distinct identity. I think its funny that Chevy gets the Cobalt SS and Camaro, yet GM is trying to make pontiac the performance division. The way I see it, Pontiac should get all the performance versions, but what do I know, I drive a honda

[Jinx]

And for bi-monthly beating of the dead horse, I make this:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/jinxergt/mulletdead.jpg

[demonspeed]

Yeah, Jeep will out-live Chrysler at this pace.

You all really think Jeep will continue? Their only models are SUVs. Give some of the stuff to Dodge (like the Libery and Wrangler) and make the Commander/Grand Cherokee Chryslers. Position Chrysler to more like Lincoln.

Just my thoughts...

i heard a rumour that GM is pushing pontiac to go all RWD, like a performance division, no FWD ricers in pontiac? hmmm

WAYYYYY old news. Not gonna happen anymore.

[CUONCRS]

Yeah. The name "Jeep" is an icon that people know around the world, and the Wrangler and Cherokee are still really good sellers and very popular. They may end up being their ONLY 2 models left, but they'll still be around.

I can't imagine that Dodge would ever change it to the Dodge Wrangler, but you never know.

[09SemperSS]

To the point of Jeep giving Chrysler some models; it's not going to happen. The recently cut production on the Dodge Nitro, which was essentially a Jeep Cherokee. They're doing this with other, similar vehicles.

[demonspeed]

Yeah. The name "Jeep" is an icon that people know around the world, and the Wrangler and Cherokee are still really good sellers and very popular. They may end up being their ONLY 2 models left, but they'll still be around.

I can't imagine that Dodge would ever change it to the Dodge Wrangler, but you never know.

Hummer is just as recognized, which is why I though Jeep could certainly be a candidate to depart.

[Sean_W]

Hummer is just as recognized, which is why I though Jeep could certainly be a candidate to depart.

That brings up an interesting question. Is Jeep a type of vehicle or a brand name? It sort of like other big names you know of. Lego is a brand name, but all building bricks are refered to as lego regardless. You'r only wiping your nose with a kleenex if you are using the kleenex brand, but all nose tissue is refered to as kleenex :screwy: Sorry for the drawn out explanations, but I find this kind of observational humor funny.

Sean

[Z28 Autobot]

so i've seen drawings of a new trans am, and hate all you want....but the TA drawings blow the camaro out of the water and make look like a matchbox toy. not to mention.. a 6.6 litre engine? hmmmm either way, i dont think GM needs..hummer...or slaaab..hehe or half of the junk they've got anymore. i heard a rumour that GM is pushing pontiac to go all RWD, like a performance division, no FWD ricers in pontiac? hmmm

no..no T/A no 6.6 engine and what you thought, that was way before $4.00 a gallon set it..everything is up in the air..even the axing of Pontiac..no I am not kidding..:eek:

[Jinx]

Concerning the spy pics. Ive photoshopped this pre-pros to render out some of the details we seen so far:

V6- base - no extra options
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/jinxergt/jinxv62.jpg

V6- with RS package (or whatever that accessory mock-up was)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/jinxergt/jinxrsguesser2.jpg

SS- base V8
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/jinxergt/jinxSSgueser2.jpg

[Z28 Autobot]

looks very promising..if right Jinx :D

[MuscleCarCrazy]

when i get mine, a moonroof would look sweet (my opinion). it snows where i live and the car will be driven all year long so i think that would be better than a t-top in my case. anyone know any idea what the camaro will start at by trim???

[demonspeed]

when i get mine, a moonroof would look sweet (my opinion). it snows where i live and the car will be driven all year long so i think that would be better than a t-top in my case. anyone know any idea what the camaro will start at by trim???

Everyone seems so paranoid about leaking t-tops. If your t-tops leak in your 2nd or 3rd gen, get new seals! My 4th gens never leaked, and my IROC did only a very little bit - and I fixed it. I can assure you that if a new vehicle had t-tops, they would not leak any worse than a sunroof every would.

[tommyistommy]

I had a 4th gen, no leaking problems. Much better then a sunroof for open air feeling, and I think they look pretty awesome as well. I wish they would offer them on the 5th gen, but I think the chances of T-tops being offered are slim to none.

[jkidd]

I am going to set the record straight here. FWIW, I have an uncle who has been in the Jeep dealership / off-road racing business (located in California) since 1965.

With that said -

Jeep is a brand - And the most respected name in off-road 4 wheel drive vehicles since WWII. This legacy continues today, regardless of what the British, German's, Japanese, or other American automaker's would like you to believe.

Jeep no longer makes the Cherokee. The vehicle some of you mentioned or referred to, with comparisons to other 4x4 suv's, is the Grand Cherokee. There is a difference in models. DC decided the Cherokee was no longer stylish (although it was the second best hardcore off road 4x4 Jeep made), so the folks at Chrysler killed the Cherokee and designed new models to compete with the trendy American & Japanese SUV's.

The Jeep Liberty has been the best selling SUV in the world since 2002. The Jeep Grand Cherokee is not far behind.

The Jeep "Rubicon" Wrangler time and again, year after year, has proven to be the winner as the ultimate off-road 4x4 in the world - From the Rubicon Trail in Northern California to the slickrock of Moab, Utah to the desert of Baja California Mexico. When it comes to hardcore four wheeling, off the showroom floor, the Rubicon has no equal. In the mall parking lot, well that's another story.

A popular misconception regarding the H1 Hummer was that the military switched from jeeps to H1's because they were better off road vehicles. They were not. They "fit" the military's needs better in the roles they've been accustomed to in more recent years. Size / interior space mainly. Oh, and for the record, my spelling of " jeep " relating to military vehicles was not a typo. " Jeep " is the civilan designation, while " jeep " was the military designation.

My uncle went on to say that a few years ago when the Jeep Rubicon earned the nickname title of; "Hummer H2 Recovery Vehicle", that was not for the sake of humor.

There has been talk of a group from California wanting to buy Jeep and save the legend by taking it out of the hands of DC. I for one hope this happens. But even if it doesn't, Jeep is not going away anytime soon. End of story.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that when DC bought Jeep, they also bought the Jeep Wrangler design team who now works on the Rubicon model line. No other Jeep or Chrysler 4x4 model is spec'd with the hardcore technology for serious off-roading as the Rubicon Wranger.

[CUONCRS]

EDIT: I forgot to mention that when DC bought Jeep, they also bought the Jeep Wrangler design team who now works on the Rubicon model line. No other Jeep or Chrysler 4x4 model is spec'd with the hardcore technology for serious off-roading as the Rubicon Wranger.

You mean they didn't take cutting edge off-road ability and dumb it down, so that soccer moms could drive them around and freak out when they got dirt on them? Oh wait, that was what GM did to Hummer. My bad. :)

I love Jeeps, always have, always will. If I could get a Wrangler Rubicon with a 6000 pound towing capacity, it would replace my truck in an instant, but there is no such beast. I sure hope you're right and Jeep gets taken away from DC, but I'm not sure DC would ever give up their only money maker. :)

[demonspeed]

Best of both (attainable) worlds:

Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and Corvette Z06

:D





I really wasn't trying to ruffle feathers by saying they'd kill Jeep. It was just a thought with todays automotive world turned upside down.

[jkidd]

I have one of two - I guess my world is not perfect. :(

demon, no feathers out of place here. I just felt the need to add to the off topic conversation of Jeep. I want to talk 5th gen Camaro's here! :)

CUONCRS, I'm in total agreement with you regarding what GM has done to Hummer.

[DocGreen]

The Jeep "Rubicon" Wrangler time and again, year after year, has proven to be the winner as the ultimate off-road 4x4 in the world - From the Rubicon Trail in Northern California to the slickrock of Moab, Utah to the desert of Baja California Mexico. When it comes to hardcore four wheeling, off the showroom floor, the Rubicon has no equal. In the mall parking lot, well that's another story.

Damn GPS - There's no mall around here...
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4959/1029665157td9.jpg
:lookandleave:

[gregbcnj]

79, 82, 84, 86, 89 and 99...and I miss my T-TOPS!!! Hard-top during winter, and mini convertable during summer. Unless they make that moonroof vista-huge... I'll be sad.
I drove my last 99 from 4 to 223,000 miles when I finally threw a bearing. Original tranny and rear and motor! I hope this one is as reliable...(I count reliable as powertrain, as every american car sucks for everything else.)

I sqeamishly had to buy a mustang in 07 when my 99 croaked (i was in a pinch) and I can't wait to get rid of this POS.

I also hope they dont over-domesticate the interior like Dodge did on the new Challenger. (Concept interior was decent-- production model looks like every other dodge.... BLAH!)

Anyway great pics!

[Jekyll-N-Hyde]

I could careless if they have a moonroof or T-Tops !!!!!!! When Camaro was introduced to us it didnt have anything such as the 2 things above.

If you want something to take down/off get a Vert other wise get a hardtop and cruise it.

Camaro went years before any of that was offered !!!!!!!
Yes some leaked and some didnt but that just depends on how much you use them and what climate you live in.
Live in a State like myself where it can snow in the morning and by afternoon its 79 degrees and you are running around with your top down sudden weather/climate changes are daily and year around.

my daily driver is a convertible and with what the weather is like in todays world im ready for another hardtop.

[BDC]

what happend? we need more pics of this car.

[Taglane]

Nice intro to the site! This may be the best shots yet. Welcome! :)

[nimrod.sixty9]

Ive had 83 89 92 and 99 Camaro and curently drive a 91, and a 2000 Firebird. All T-tops. One of them leaked. On the other hand, Ive never been in a monroof car/SUV that DIDNT leak...

Dont know where everyone gets this from...

I want T-Tops!!!!!

Great pics! Must have been crazy to see it in person!

[speedyje1]

The design really hasn't changed since Detroit, which I like. I don't mind the introduction of the sunroof or the fact that they got rid of the Caddy/Vette bubbletop from the concept. I'd just like to ask the question on why they kept those twin taillamps on her backend? Why not just flatten out the middle bevel piece that makes it what it is and keep the full taillamp? They looked great on the 68 and 69 models. They'd just be rounded and slightly angled out on her this time. What's the problem here?

[camarolover69]

thanks :thumbsup:

the badge says ss. there's actually an ss badge on the rear right next to the tail lights that didn't show up in the photo. also, the two or three hash indentations in front of the rear wheel wells were funny. they emulate the ones on the original car but are totally stylistic, and very hard to see, almost a carricature

i had a good look at the interior but i didn't take any photos. i felt a little bad taking these 'cuz i chatted w/ the guy and he was really nice and i was afraid he'd get into trouble. i liked the interior a lot. it's basically a faithful, realistic, and functional translation of the show car's interior. i especially liked the quad gauges on the center console. overall, the interior looked pretty slick, not cheaply retro like the mustang's interior. it also seemed pretty snug, which i like. there seemed to be very little leg room for the back seats, which isn't that surprising. the bowtie on the front grill was a bit too big and shiny (i kinda wish it'd have the classic camaro logo/badge instead), but my impression of the car's inside and out was very positive
my uncle has a mustang there isnt ne legs room either

[Chelsey-Loves-A-Camaro]

Welcome to the site!! Yeah, great way to introduce yourself! Wish I'd spotted one! Haha

[zaniacz]

hey guys,

i just signed up here :D anyway, on the way home today, i *spied* a camaro prototype in what is probably the close-to-final production form!!! :lol: it was for a movie shoot. photos attached

it was in ss trim, meaning a v8? automatic, silver w/ black interior. i have to say, it was BEAUTIFUL. i had my doubts 'cuz the camaro concept i saw at the la autoshow was HUGE, which seemed to be the trend of retro muscle cars. the mustang is about one or two sizes too large and the new challenger is also ginormous. the styling of this new camaro is quite a success and really wow'd me. it didn't seem oversized at all and is in fact (at least seemed) quite a nice compact size for a sporty car. the tail is high and sufficiently short, with nice but not overly cluttered details. the front is aggressive and but not overly showy. and when seen direct front on it looked pretty wide and a bit menancing. the profile is simple and nice. there're lots of edges and lines like the c6 'vette, and overally there was not a fault w/ this design seen in person by me. i also got a look at the interior, which is really a good mix of retro styling cues and modern slick look. i especially like the 4 gauges on the center console

one other interesting thing, this car had a moonroof, which looks a bit funny on a muscle car. the moonroof shows how wide the car is, and also that it looks like the production version lost the twin-bubble roof look of the concept car stolen from the c6 'vette. that's all ;)

Was that a transformers insignia on the grille?

[BioHazard03]

the pair of police posted there told me it was some tv movie w/ christian slater :cool:

the car looked really good :lol:

That's not for a movie. It's for a new tv show called, "My Own Worst Enemy". I think it's supposed to start next month on Fox.

[54inches]

Was that a transformers insignia on the grille?

WOW!:lol:

[martystriano]

I'm waiting for the 2011 Z28... a 'Maro with the 2009 Corvette ZR1 drive train!!!::roxor: Chevy, you NEED to produce it. I'll buy one, but in the Z28 convertible...
Signed,
Not-so-patiently waiting! :BangHead:

[tazjetman]

I'm waiting for the 2011 Z28... a 'Maro with the 2009 Corvette ZR1 drive train!!!::roxor: Chevy, you NEED to produce it. I'll buy one, but in the Z28 convertible...
Signed,
Not-so-patiently waiting! :BangHead:

first off welcome:hello:

2nd you might want to reframe from calling the Camaro a "maro" around here...

3rd i would love to see a Z28 Camaro but there is no offical plans yet.