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post #1 of 11 Old 02-19-2006, 07:51 AM Thread Starter
 
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Lutz: No Firebird

http://autos.canada.com/news/story.h...5-bf84c49c9d21

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And there would be no -- repeat, no -- Pontiac version of the sporty two-door, Lutz said.


That kind of badge engineering "is what got us in trouble in the first place," he said of GM's woes during an interview at the show.


GM, Lutz said, suffers from "too many years of doing cars and trucks that were OK. We don't do that anymore. We do beyond OK."


For instance, he said, look back at how GM bean-counters and product engineers mismanaged the original Camaro into well-deserved oblivion.
"We got too far away from the original role of the car. It became too streamlined. The passenger compartment became too compromised. It became too expensive. It became too heavy. It became a car that just lost its way -- the same as the Ford Mustang did for awhile.


"There was a time when all of the original pony cars got bigger and bigger and heavier and heavier and more and more expensive and suddenly nobody could afford them anymore."
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post #2 of 11 Old 02-19-2006, 10:50 AM
 
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bastards. thats all i have to say.
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post #3 of 11 Old 02-19-2006, 11:49 AM
 
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bastards, but i do agree with 90% of what he says with the badge engineering and the heavy and expensive. maybe this will mean the camaro will be reasonably priced. and maybe an aftermarket company will make a kit to make a T/A, like one of the photochops
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post #4 of 11 Old 02-19-2006, 12:03 PM
 
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Right on. I completely agree; a Firebird would be a bad idea. Insanity is continuing to do what you've always done and expecting the results to be different.
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post #5 of 11 Old 02-19-2006, 02:57 PM
 
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... but GM has no problem doing a Pontiac version of the Cobalt...
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post #6 of 11 Old 02-19-2006, 03:19 PM
 
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... but GM has no problem doing a Pontiac version of the Cobalt...
saturn ION maybe a saturn version of the camaro. since they did the cobalt and the solstice
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post #7 of 11 Old 02-19-2006, 06:36 PM
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I didnt really expect them to even think about a firebird. Too much of GM's time and money would've been spent on that. I agree with Lutz though. I'd rather have just a camaro, and let it be successful, and help pull GM out of the hole. You gotta focus on one thing at a time. I really look forward to the Camaro coming out soon.
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I'm sad that Firebird won't be returning, but I understand the reasons.

Gotta agree with what Luts is saying here!

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post #9 of 11 Old 02-19-2006, 08:04 PM
 
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http://autos.canada.com/news/story.h...5-bf84c49c9d21

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And there would be no -- repeat, no -- Pontiac version of the sporty two-door, Lutz said.


That kind of badge engineering "is what got us in trouble in the first place," he said of GM's woes during an interview at the show.


GM, Lutz said, suffers from "too many years of doing cars and trucks that were OK. We don't do that anymore. We do beyond OK."


For instance, he said, look back at how GM bean-counters and product engineers mismanaged the original Camaro into well-deserved oblivion.
"We got too far away from the original role of the car. It became too streamlined. The passenger compartment became too compromised. It became too expensive. It became too heavy. It became a car that just lost its way -- the same as the Ford Mustang did for awhile.


"There was a time when all of the original pony cars got bigger and bigger and heavier and heavier and more and more expensive and suddenly nobody could afford them anymore."
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you notice he avoids using the term "firebird" in there. i believe this coudl mean eventually they will come out wiht a car that is totally seperate from the camaro called the firebird. however i agree that it's a good idea not to have two cars wiht just different names.
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I agree with him on this one..but they have to have some kinda RWD sports type car with a nice V8 in it.

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