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post #1 of 43 Old 05-01-2006, 07:34 PM Thread Starter
 
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Mid Level V8 Business Case

This thread is going to be a work in progress developing a business case paper on a mid-level V8 for the Camaro. There's enough of us upset at the rumors of a high output V6 going up against the GT instead of a base V8 model that we want to actually do something about it.

My concept for a campaign for a Mid-V8 is to develop the write up first to encapsulate what we want, then start a petition and spread on all the popular sites.

Here are some notes I typed up on the data we need to get our feet wet. I think we have the concept down pretty firmly, just need facts to insert where needed

We need to know the following:

Fuel consumption of HFV6
Fuel consumption of LS4 with AFM

HP/TQ for HFV6
HP/TQ for LS4

Physical/external dimensions and weight of HFV6
Physical/external dimensions and weight of LS4

Maintenance costs/reliability of HFV6
Maintenance costs/reliability of LS4

88-92 Camaro sales data broken down by engine option, specifically looking at V8 Rally Sport as % of the whole. Need to demonstrate demand for mid-v8 and disspell concerns over cannibalizing SS/Z28 sales.

Estimated 5th gen model pricing

Guy's estimates are V6 Camaro ~$20K, a few $100 more than Mustang
HFV6 $24K, a few hundred less than Mustang
SS $26-28K, which is absurdly optimistic. Figure $30K

Today's Mustang model pricing extrapolated to 2008/9
Current $19,900 V6 (adjusting for 3yrs inflation 21,100)
GT is $25,800 (2009: 27,400)

Projected matchup
Mustang V6 $21,100 -- Camaro V6 $21,600
Mustang GT $27,400 -- HFV6 Camaro $26,000 (a Charlie number)
--------------------------------- Camaro SS $30K plus
GT500 $36,000 ---------- Z28 $37,000

Current model Mustang sales numbers, specifically % of GT sales vs whole and compared to V6 sales.

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will this HOV6 be standard or an option?



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Think 4 different engines . And this kinda matchup:
Mustang V6 vs Camaro V6
??????????? vs Camaro HFV6
Mustang GT vs Camaro SS
Mustang GT500 vs Camaro Z28
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Z28 is gonna be the high price option?
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This thread is going to be a work in progress developing a business case paper on a mid-level V8 for the Camaro. There's enough of us upset at the rumors of a high output V6 going up against the GT instead of a base V8 model that we want to actually do something about it.
Who is upset about this? The article just compared the power of the possible V6 in the Camaro to older gen Mustangs

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I should have put this in a private forum I guess. There is a core group of people that are "concerned" about price points and the HFV6.

At this point the Mustang GT is $26K and the SS Camaro will come in closer to $30. We'll lose a lot of sales if it costs $4K more to get into a V8 Camaro than a V8 Mustang.

A V6, no matter how high in HP, is not a V8.
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GM will not put up a V6 against the Mustang GT, I don't understand the 'fear' you guys are talking about I guess.

The Z28 has always cost more then a comprably equipped V8 Mustang, sometimes more than a GT.

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and the GM always put out a better product... IMO
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GM will not put up a V6 against the Mustang GT, I don't understand the 'fear' you guys are talking about I guess.

The Z28 has always cost more then a comprably equipped V8 Mustang, sometimes more than a GT.
You haven't been reading the same things I have been reading. Some inside GM think a hi-po multicam V6 is just the thing to get conquest sales from the import drivers. Such a HFV6 would be price under but close to a GT mustang. The cheapest Camaro V8 would be an SS and would be a few grand more than a GT. That is a recipie for disaster.

Its looking like Z28 will not exist in the first year but come out later as a balls-out Z06 style model.
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You haven't been reading the same things I have been reading. Some inside GM think a hi-po multicam V6 is just the thing to get conquest sales from the import drivers. Such a HFV6 would be price under but close to a GT mustang. The cheapest Camaro V8 would be an SS and would be a few grand more than a GT. That is a recipie for disaster.

Its looking like Z28 will not exist in the first year but come out later as a balls-out Z06 style model.
I don't see any problems offering a HO V6 for the tuner market, that is a very HOT market right now.

Again, the Z28 has always been prices higher then the V8 LX and some GT Mustangs, I don't see that changing.

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