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post #1 of 13 Old 02-12-2010, 04:34 PM Thread Starter
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Read this awesome article from GM Authority:
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According to Jeff McCurley, Vice President and General Manager of CTS Automotive Products, with the addition of GM, “[CTS] now sell[s] contacting and non-contacting ETC pedal modules to seven of the top ten global vehicle manufacturers.”

As expected, recent CTS press releases have focused on the Toyota mess. CTS noted that Toyota defined the problem as “a rare set of conditions which may cause the accelerator pedal to become harder to depress, slower to return or, in the worst case, stuck in a partially depressed position.” Toyota also indicated the problem “is rare and occurs gradually over a period of time.” CTS, indubitably strong-armed by its legal department, went on to say that it has no knowledge of any accidents or injuries caused by mishaps related to their parts, that the number of occurrences have been small, and that it knows of no instance in which an accelerator was stuck at all open. While those claims are suspect, CTS is correct in noting that the sticky pedal recall was not related to the sudden unintended acceleration problem, which Toyota continues to blame on floor mats; that pedals related to the November recall date back to 2002, whereas CTS did not become a Toyota supplier until 2005; and that all products supplied to Toyota were manufactured per Toyota’s specifications. CTS concluded by noting that Toyota is among their smaller clients, making up for 3% of their annual revenue, and that it continues to work with Toyota to produce a fix.

Most of Toyota’s actions have been attempts to deflect blame. It initially cited floor mats, making excuses like, “They were aftermarket mats,” or, “The mats were installed incorrectly.” Indeed, Toyota is not responsible for damage caused by things people put in their cars or failure to follow instructions on dealer accessories. But when totaled runaway Toyotas were found with their mats safely stowed in their trunks, Toyota had to change its approach.

Next, the company blamed worn accelerator pedals. In so doing, it admitted some complicity. But the part is manufactured by an outside contractor, a fact Toyota probably hoped would deflect some of the blow away from itself. Here, the details become murky: the part was manufactured to Toyota’s specifications, and other manufacturers, including GM, use CTS-supplied pedals without the same runaway problem. Critics seem to have Toyota dead-to-rights. But, the following chart suggests other manufacturers, many of whom probably use CTS pedal assemblies, also suffer from the same problem. Still, Toyota is far and away the worst unintended acceleration offender. Which leads back to GM Authority’s previous conclusion that the evidence points toward an electronic glitch of some kind. In fact, we cited Scott Kane, director of Safety, Research, and Strategies, whose full report can be found as a PDF here.

Toyota could have simply admitted very early on that a programming flaw was the culprit. After all, the fix is relatively easy. And with Toyota’s commitment to install brake-override systems on affected cars anyway, consumers are already expecting some of the programming of their cars to change.

Clearly, some part of Toyota’s engineering department is at fault, a detail that might put some personal injury attorneys on moral high ground for once. Yes, Toyota’s marketing department lied. The lie was entirely self-serving.

OK - go download that PDF.

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http://www.safetyresearch.net/Librar...20510FINAL.pdf

That is nothing short of incredible.


Ok that's a 180-page PDF, so to get the summary, read pages 51-55, sections titled "A Confused Public" and "Conclusion"

This needs to be headline news.
Everyone that has ever owned a car needs to know this!

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Oy, gotta love when people try to blame America/Americans for everything.
Had a bit of a 'discussion' with a import-fanboi on Facebook who kept trying to put the blame of this on the part supplier.



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Btw, taken from that 180 page report:
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The automaker has ignored customers’ real-world experiences and refused – at least
publicly – to consider that it has not accounted for all of the ways its electronic throttle
systems or the sensors that work in concert with it could malfunction. This insistence on
design infallibility has forced the company into the very uncomfortable posture its finds
itself today. Toyota has shifted the blame from drivers to its floor mats to its suppliers. It
has never conceded that the blame lies in its own designs – be they a floor arrangement
that allows a mat to wander freely or an electronic system that can be overcome by
random, intermittent faults, and more fundamentally adequate failsafe designs. It is no
wonder that the public is confused.


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Because if people knew there was a computer glitch causing the problem then people would not want to drive them at all.
If Toyota told people this then they would have had a hard time convincing people to still buy there cars.

I think Toyota wanted to come up with a fix before all the cars come in to get new pedals, but things got out of hand before they came up with a fix.

I think if they had come up with a fix that they would have then made the recall and when they brung there cars in for a new pedal they would secretly fix the software glitch while it was in the shop and no one would ever suspect anything.

Now they are forced to bring all the cars in for the issue becaus of it getting out of hand. Now they are replacing the pedals and STILL don't have a fix for the cars. Now things are going to get really bad when cars with new pedals start killing people.

There was a guy that drove his car all the way to the dealer with the throttle wide open and the pedal not depressed at all. He put it in N and D all the way there. They can't deny that one.

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Btw, taken from that 180 page report:
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The automaker has ignored customers’ real-world experiences and refused – at least
publicly – to consider that it has not accounted for all of the ways its electronic throttle
systems or the sensors that work in concert with it could malfunction. This insistence on
design infallibility has forced the company into the very uncomfortable posture its finds
itself today. Toyota has shifted the blame from drivers to its floor mats to its suppliers. It
has never conceded that the blame lies in its own designs – be they a floor arrangement
that allows a mat to wander freely or an electronic system that can be overcome by
random, intermittent faults, and more fundamentally adequate failsafe designs. It is no
wonder that the public is confused.
I really want to print out a bunch of copies of that paragraph and leave it behind inside Toyotas at the auto show tmorrow.

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I really want to print out a bunch of copies of that paragraph and leave it behind inside Toyotas at the auto show tmorrow.
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