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post #1 of 25 Old 08-31-2007, 09:10 AM Thread Starter
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More E85 pumps could be coming to Kroger

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The closest Kroger gas station to me is still a good 10+ miles away. :p

"Currently, Kroger has 40 locations offering E85 in the states of Texas, Ohio and Kentucky."
They're hiding from me, then. The e85 website only shows 2 places..2 small mom&pop places.

Just did a search..now they only show ONE in Kentucky..and that's in Covington. All the other places within 100 miles are in indiana and ohio.



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I only see 1 Kroger one in Kentucky
Max Fuel Express #6
Corner of Ft. Campbell Blvd. and Walnut St.
Hopkinsville, KY

Kroger Fueling Station
4303 Winston Ave.
Latonia, KY (Covington/Kenton Co.)

There are tons of them in Texas:
http://e85.whipnet.net/locator/kroger.e85.html

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Both are exceedingly far away from me.
Until there are more E85 stations around here, I'm aiming for my next vehicle to be non-FFV. The non-FFV versions of the engines sometimes tend to just have a LITTLE bit more power. (I've seen a FFV engine and a non-FFV engine have a 5-10+ hp difference.)



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Why would the non ffv have more power. I thought the only difference was a sensor on the tank and larger injectors. I thought they had the same power on gasoline and 5-10% more hp on E85. The only thing I could think would be the calibration but I still have never heard that.

btw the 2008 Tahoe non ffv gets the exact same fuel millage as ffv version when they are both ran on gasoline. I would not think HP would be affected either.

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Why would the non ffv have more power. I thought the only difference was a sensor on the tank and larger injectors. I thought they had the same power on gasoline and 5-10% more hp on E85. The only thing I could think would be the calibration but I still have never heard that.

btw the 2008 Tahoe non ffv gets the exact same fuel millage as ffv version when they are both ran on gasoline. I would not think HP would be affected either.
I can't remember specifically. I think I saw the difference in a 5.3l V8 the FFV 5.3l was rated at 310hp and the non-ffv was 315hp. Not entirely sure, but I DO remember seeing some engines with minor differences.

EDIT: Unrelated note, I wish idiots who did the user MSN reviews would realize that 1's are BAD and 10's are good. This guy rates the 08 silverado all 1's but is like "IT IS THE BEST TRUCK EVER, I LOVE IT".
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I can't find any info on the Silverado but the 2007 Tahoe that is a ffv has the exact HP rating as the non ffv Tahoe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Tahoe#2007

Year Displacement Engine Power Torque Notes

2007 4.8 L Vortec 4800 V8 295 hp (220 kW) 305 ftlbf (414 Nm) does not feature Active Fuel Management

2007 5.3 L Vortec 5300 V8 320 hp (239 kW) 340 ftlbf (461 Nm) standard on 2WD models

2007 5.3 L Vortec 5300 V8 320 hp (239 kW) 340 ftlbf (461 Nm) FlexFuel; standard on 4WD models


2007 6.2 L Vortec 6200 V8 380 hp (283 kW) 417 ftlbf (565 Nm) Yukon Denali only; does not feature Active Fuel Management


I did notice something on the genIII engines on the Silverado though:

20002003 5.3 L Vortec 5300 V8 280-285 hp (213 kW)
20042006 5.3 L Vortec 5300 V8 295 hp (220 kW)

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I wish I could remember where I saw the difference, but I do remember seeing it somewhere.



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We have one place to buy E-85 in my town. The price is so high it wouldn't make much sense to purchase it though. They are charging almost 80-90 cents higher than the national average. about 10 cents cheaper than 87 unleaded

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You would see at large drop in fuel effieciency. Edmunds did a test and got:

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/altern...3/article.html

The Final Score Fuel Economy and Cost
After refueling we put the fuel amounts and the prices paid into a spreadsheet and compiled a clear, side-by-side comparison for both fuel consumption and cost. Remember, these results apply only to this vehicle and to the prices in effect during our 667-mile test.

Gas Result: From San Diego to Las Vegas and back, we used 36.5 gallons of regular gasoline and achieved an average fuel economy of 18.3 mpg.

Gas Cost: We spent $124.66 for gasoline for the trip. The average pump price was $3.42 per gallon.

E85 Result: From San Diego to Las Vegas and back we used 50 gallons of E85 and achieved an average fuel economy of 13.5 mpg.

E85 Cost: We spent $154.29 on E85 for the trip. The average pump price was $3.09 per gallon

Gas/E85 difference:The fuel economy of our Tahoe on E85, under these conditions, was 26.5 percent worse than it was when running on gas.

A motorist, filling up and comparing the prices of regular gas and E85, might see the price advantage of E85 (in our case 33 cents or 9.7 percent less) as a bargain. However, since fuel economy is significantly reduced, the net effect is that a person choosing to run their flex-fuel vehicle on E85 on a trip like ours will spend 22.8 percent more to drive the same distance. For us, the E85 trip was about $30 more expensive about 22.9 cents per mile on E85 versus 18.7 cents per mile with gasoline.

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I heard there is like a 10% drop in gas mileage. Off of GM's GO YELLOW site.
Somewhere around there.
But you get more HP!



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