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post #1 of 22 Old 05-06-2009, 03:19 PM Thread Starter
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Patriot Act

This is rather chilling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFVQ0HZz2mc

They've never heard of spoofing???

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Crap.....and I'm always peaking through the blinds for the Black Suburbans.....now I have to watch out for the 'G' Men, too?

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i don't believe everything the press says... most of the powers given in the patriot act were already in use... actually more like all of those powers, they just became less clandestine about it, and maybe mom doesn't know everything her son does lol... i have nothing to hide, so yeah, they can watch me all they want.

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Well, let's just say this -- I can guarantee that there is at least one member on this forum who could lift & spoof your IP address & make VoIP calls to anywhere that trace directly back to your computer and could do so before the sun rises tomorrow. So, guilty until proved innocent and prior abuses make current or future abuses acceptable and you think you have nothing to hide so it's OK if the federal government violates the constitutional rights of a minor citizen??? I just lost a lot of respect for you, my friend.

BTW, this is not an isolated case of Patriot Act abuse but it is the most egregious I have heard of (and happens to have occurred just up the road from me...)

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They've never heard of spoofing???
Actually, they have. But in this age where digital evidence can easily be forged and almost impossible to discredit, **** like this will happen a lot more often.

Read "Death of A Thousand Cuts" and "Stealing the Network: How to own the Identity" by penetration tester and forensic computer specialist Johnny Long. You'll never view surfing the net as safe again. All it takes is one intercepted packet and you'll end up in a dark lawyer-less cave like that poor kid has.

The best way to learn about how dark and dangerous the net can be is to go and read all the articles at Black Hat.com. Try to attend one of their seminars, they got stuff for us none internet savvy guys to learn and us to better defend ourselves.

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My point exactly. As a "white hat" IT professional, I know how easy & common it is (hence my guarantee above...)

Seeing it happen to some kid makes me ill.

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My point exactly. As a "white hat" IT professional, I know how easy & common it is (hence my guarantee above...)

Seeing it happen to some kid makes me ill.


Maybe you should write a "Defense Against the Dark Net Arts" thread for us. I've learned a lot in college in 4 years about computers, and I know I only know enough that I'm only protected against viruses and spyware only by good surfing habits and use of good software. Once I started reading at Black Hat about computer forensics I really began to feel unsafe about the net.

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Unfortunately, seige theory means genuine protection is impossible -- the defender has to totally guard every opening at every moment against all known & unknown threats while the attacker has time on his side and only needs one crack in one defense point...

Truly wanna be safe on the 'net? Don't connect to it.

EDIT: Just for clarity, I am not a penetration tester -- I only mentioned "white hat" to differentiate from "black hat".

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Well, let's just say this -- I can guarantee that there is at least one member on this forum who could lift & spoof your IP address & make VoIP calls to anywhere that trace directly back to your computer and could do so before the sun rises tomorrow. So, guilty until proved innocent and prior abuses make current or future abuses acceptable and you think you have nothing to hide so it's OK if the federal government violates the constitutional rights of a minor citizen??? I just lost a lot of respect for you, my friend.

BTW, this is not an isolated case of Patriot Act abuse but it is the most egregious I have heard of (and happens to have occurred just up the road from me...)
but what makes you think they couldn't do this before the patriot act??

edit: rather than add a new post, i'll just say this; the (*another edit, i'm retarded... pres is sworn to protect constitution and implied in this is citizens of the U.S.), but he has to maintain a balance between freedom and order, after 9/11, our country drastically shifted towards order, not saying i like it all that much, but how many places have been blown up in 8 years?


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