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I've always said that one of the best parts of owning a Camaro is the 'people' part........we are blessed to have so many people who feel so passionate about this great nameplate.

I've spent a lot of time on this (and many other) sites over the past dozen years because I felt that it was important to have the 'pulse' of the enthusiast. I also feel it's appropriate at times to give some hints (wink, wink) and answer questions.

Now -- all that said -- I can also tell you that --at times -- it's been a huge source of frustration as well.

We (that's you and me) need to remember that we (that's you and me) are not the 'end all' of what is and is not Camaro.

I have said in many meetings over the years that those of us within GM that work on Camaro/Firebird/Corvette are but the custodians of the brand.

We are not the brand.

We are the CUSTODIANS of the brand.

And I can tell you that it's something that every person who has worked on -- or is working on -- these brands understands that idea.........

I'd ask everyone on this site to keep the same thing in mind. Yes -- you may be an absolutely "dyed in the wool" enthusiast -- but please understand that while there are things you many not like -- we must keep ALL enthusiasts in mind as we design/engineer/build these wonderful cars.

You may not like, say, a seat fabric -- and that's fine -- but at the same time, 95% of our other enthusiasts may love it or find it acceptable...............in fact, it doesn't take you long on this site or any other site to realize that there is no way we -- or any other manufacturer -- will ever get 100% agreement on anything!

We must balance everything so that the enthusiast will love it -- but so will vast numbers of other people who may not be an enthusiast -- but take one look at a new Camaro and fall in love with it....and just HAVE to have one in their garage.......

Yes -- we'd love to give you a 900 horsepower Camaro that gets 35mpg and has 25 available exterior colors with 20 interior colors -- all for $19,995..........but that is about as realistic as me marrying Sandy Bullock or Daisy Fuentes or Christie Brinkley...........

The Camaro MUST be realistically priced so that most -- if not all -- of you can afford one.........

That's why I constantly ask people to keep a sense of 'decorum' as we (that's you and me) discuss the Camaro (and other cars...)

I'm sorry, but "That looks like *ss" is NOT appropriate for this site or any other (Admins - correct me if I'm wrong....) ....because, you see -- when you type something like that, you insult many people...and while you may not like it, 80 percent of other enthusiasts may think it's great and like it.

(and please -- to a certain person in the state of Illinois ...please don't post an unscientific survey because of this post.......)

Now....with that said -- I talked with John F. (Fbodfather 2.0) today after the interior pics leaked from the car carrier..........and we both believe it's important to talk about where these cars are in terms of production intent.

As you look at the uncammo'd cars (and yes, we will be posting some other pictures in the near future) -- and as you look at the unauthorized pictures of the interior........PLEASE KEEP THE FOLLOWING IN MIND:

1. None of these mules are anywhere near complete. Most parts are pre-production parts. If I had to assign a 'percentage' -- I'd say the cars are at 65% of production intent........

2. Some of the parts you see aren't even close to what you'll see on the production Camaro. For instance -- if you were to suddenly see a Camaro without the front bra in place -- you'd see some 'horrible' headlamps. There's a good reason for that...the production lamps are not ready - -and as a result - many of the mules have what I call....
" ..hey Joe - go run down to the local autoparts store and grab us a buncha headlamps and then go hot-glue 'em in place on those Camaro mules over there!!!!".........headlamps.............

..........see what I mean? So -- see something that doesn't look right? Hang in there -- it's likely to change!!!

3. Mules are usually painted white for a good reason -- I'll get into that one of these days -- but yes -- we know some of you don't want white -- but we aren't about to paint 'em every shade of the rainbow for testing.....patience, my friend -- patience!

4. Interior pictures are very misleading. As I said above, many of the parts are either pre-production -- 'off the shelf' parts to serve as placeholders -- or hard plastic and used only as a 'stand in.'
(Remember when I said a few weeks ago that the hips didn't disappear? Remember that a few of you didn't believe me? )

Keep something in mind today and tomorrow and next week and next month and next year.........................

........If one of us (John, Cheryl, myself, etc) say something -- we mean it. I plan to be on this and other sites for a long time to come. We don't intentionally lie. That's not our style.


Sooooooooo...............

let's keep the conversation going. Let's keep the faith..... (remember when I said that wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in August of 2001 when I said "the Camaro WILL be back??".......

Please -- I'm begging you -- please hold off in final judgement until you see the finished product. If there's something you see that you don't like -- it's OK to discuss -- but let's hold off with the insults -- and let's also respect each others' opinions.

Finally -- you can be ASSURED that the final production Camaro is the most researched and most 'Camaro enthusiast injected' (sorry - couldn't quickly think of how to put that....) Camaro ever.......

.......and when the smoke clears sometime in 2008 -- I think 99% of you are gonna love it. To the other 1% -- sorry -- we tried!

(and NO, the production Camaro will not be at NAIAS -- Bumblebee, however, WILL be there ....and just mebbe wearing a new set of wheels to replace the plastic wheelcovers......)
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Excellent commentary. Thank you . People just need to be patient and try to understand the pre-production way of doing things. I can't believe the amount of postings on the web over the last 3-4 hrs that are completely negitive of the Camaro with regards to these spy pictures. Mind boggling to say the least.
 

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I'll admit that when I saw the first leaked non-camo'd shot (the garage one), I had my doubts. Of course, then I realized that this was the worst photo to judge the car on and that all we needed to do was wait for a much better one. Which of course we got this week. I'm ready to buy one just from the shot alone.

Of course, the only real thing that matters to me is the final color options. If I don't see what I like, I'll just have it repainted. That is unless someone here can confirm a Bumble Bee color option? Hint Hint :)
 

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:lol: I suppose I'm guilty on the headlight comment and I apologize for that. I assure you, no offense intended whatsoever. I just wasn't sure about what I was seeing. Given what I assumed was otherwise a trailer full of Holdens (obviously the camo'd car got my attention, not the background), I thought that it may have been a yet unnamed Camaro-clone for Oz and not exactly a pre-pro Camaro. Honestly, no gripes here in what I've seen so far -- except that it isn't here yet. :lol:
 

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That has got to be the best interior layout for a car I've seen. All it needs is the final materials and the interior is done. I really like the way you guys swapped around the Tach and Speedometer, and kept the center console gauges.

Thanks for all the work you and the guys at GM have done on the 5th gen Camaro. Keep it up!
 

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very well said, Scott. i'm continuing to keep the faith :D
 

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Thanks, Scott, for putting this all in perspective. I personally will keep this in mind when I think about putting something down in the future (yeah, I said some not nice things about the interior). I'm just glad you said someone from Illinois and not Kansas. :)
It makes me feel better that these are pre-pro and not completely ready, but I'm still loving the car, and ready to buy.
 

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I personally love the car! You have a customer right here when the Camaro comes out. Well not as soon as it comes out lol. Need to save up. thanks for chiming in Scott!!;)
 

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Scott: Thank you so much for sharing this "Sage Advice". The unveiled shot had me a bit bummed, so glad to know that is not the end game here. Looking forward to future updates. I am patient and will wait for the real deal when she comes in. I am especially glad to hear you comment on the manners of some of the posters as well. Sometimes they get soooo out of hand ruffling the feathers of others. Good post!
 

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That post by Scott pretty much sums it all up. I saw some complaints on the GM blog site that sounded like a bunch of spoiled brat crybabies threatening not to buy the car 'cuz of some minute detail they hated on a FREAKIN' PRE-PRODUCTION CAR!!! Apparently some folks don't understand how this process works, so they definetly need to read Scott's post. I just want to let all the people involved in the design and production of the new Camaro that I have the utmost respect for them and confidence that the final product will be outstanding! :thumbsup:Thankyou all from a future 2010 Camaro owner!:patriot:
 

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(and please -- to a certain person in the state of Illinois ...please don't post an unscientific survey because of this post.......)
I live in Illinois but have never started a survey or even a thread, except for a Christmas Plans one. I'm hopeing its someone else. Now I'm gonna be looking for the black SUVs to pull up in my driveway.
 
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