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WASHINGTON -- A federal official expressed regret Thursday over a newsletter sent to his agency's 67,000 workers, suggesting they consider owning one of 12 cars -- all made by foreign-based companies -- to cut their energy use.
 

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Where's the newsletter and list of cars?

How does buying another car cut on energy use anyhow?

It takes energy to make the new car and how much energy is used at your place of business over X year/years to earn enough money to purchase the car? How much energy was used in transporting them? Do the execs have to jump on a plane and fly to Japan or where ever. How much energy does that take?

I'd like to see the break down of petroleum and other resources to make a car in the first place. I believe I read in an article that it was around 2340 gallons of gasoline. That's 3-4 years of driving for the average American.
 

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So basically they suggested economical cars.

Someone here surely knows of a few that can compete with the ones on the above list, no?

I call BS (read: politics) on this one.
 

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Source: fueleconomy.gov
using new EPA ratings

A. City
B. Combined
C. Hwy

A. B. C.
24 28 36 Honda Civic GX (actually runs on natural gas) 5spd auto
48 46 45 Toyota Prius
40 42 45 Honda Civic Hybrid
35 34 33 Nissan Altima Hybrid
29 32 36 Toyota Yaris 5spd man
29 31 35 Toyota Yaris 5spd auto
28 31 37 Toyota Corolla 5spd man
26 29 35 Toyota Corolla 4spd auto
33 34 34 Toyota Camry Hybrid
28 31 34 Honda Fit 5spd man
27 30 35 Honda Fit 5spd auto
27 29 32 Kia Rio 5? 5spd man
25 29 35 Kia Rio 5? 4spd auto
27 29 32 Hyundai Accent 5spd man
24 28 33 Hyundai Accent 4spd auto
24 27 33 Hyundai Elantra 5spd man
25 28 33 Hyundai Elantra 4spd auto
26 29 34 Honda Civic 5spd man 1.8L
25 29 36 Honda Civic 5spd auto 1.8L
 

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Octanes list:

24 27 34 Chevy Aveo 5spd man
23 26 32 Chevy Aveo 4spd man
22 26 32 Chevy Cobalt
21 24 30 Chevy HHR 5spd man
22 25 30 Chevy HHR 4spd auto
26 29 33 Pontiac Vibe 5spd auto
25 27 31 Pontiac Vibe 4spd auto
22 26 32 Pontiac G5
24 27 33 Ford Focus 5spd man
23 26 31 Ford Focus 4spd auto
24 26 29 Dodge Caliber 5spd man 1.8L

Couple more:
34 32 30 Ford Escape Hybrid
same for the Mecury version
 

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Isn't it the toyota Matrix or whatever? :p
Yes, but that's just a Corolla with a Hatchback. Same car again.

Ratings and real-world numbers are two different things.
I know several people with Cobalts that consistently get 35-38MPG, and I've also seen as high as 41MPG in a HHR.

So Toyota and Honda are more economical why... because they say so?
Dumb.
 

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I don't really like how they changed the ratings on millage.
Does this make more cars fall futher into the gas guzzler tax or did they adjust the tax too? I would guess they kept the gg tax the same and lowered the millage because that just the way it usually happens with things.
Does this new rating system make it even harder for them to meet fleet MPG if they pass that bill about 35MPG or do they go by the old rating?
 

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Yes, but that's just a Corolla with a Hatchback. Same car again.

Ratings and real-world numbers are two different things.
I know several people with Cobalts that consistently get 35-38MPG, and I've also seen as high as 41MPG in a HHR.

So Toyota and Honda are more economical why... because they say so?
Dumb.
Why did the Escape not make the list? it gets better average even going by the EPA ratings and it didn't make the list.
 

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Also how does the EPA rate them. There can be huge weight differences in loaded/fully optioned vs not loaded/options car, so how do they pick one to rate?


Also how do most people even know they changed the ratings? I think it confuses people into thinking the the cars have not improved much after the change on the window stickers when in reallity it they have improved MPG.
 

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I read an article about, supposedly, how little we have progressed over the years in the terms of fuel efficiency. They were quoting vehicle estimates fromk like 30 years ago that said 40-50 mpg..which probably only got around 30.

I know a guy that gets over 30mpg in his 5cylinder 5spd colorado (he once claimed 40mpg..but I doubt that. :p)



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