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3.22 this morning :confused:

This is bad. Very bad.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/081110/business_us_generalmotors_research_barclays.html

(Reuters) - General Motors Corp (NYSE:GM - News) will likely fall below its minimum cash needs of $11 billion to $14 billion in the first quarter of 2009 if the troubled automaker does not receive additional funding, said an analyst at Barclays Capital, and GM shares fell as much as 31 percent in morning trade.

Barclays' analyst Brian Johnson downgraded GM to "underweight" from "equal weight." Deutsche Bank also cut GM to "sell" from "hold," and saw an equity value of $0 for the stock, according to a report on theflyonthewall.com. Reuters could not immediately verify the report.

"While further government assistance would decrease the likelihood of a GM bankruptcy, we believe any government assistance would likely significantly dilute GM's equity," Barclays' Johnson wrote in a note to clients.

Johnson cut his price target on the stock to $1 from $4.

"Of the four broad options for government assistance for GM, we believe that political pressure to protect taxpayers may lead to a solution similar to the 1979 Chrysler bailout, which was accompanied by concessions from debt holders, labor, suppliers and management," Johnson said.

"In any scenario, we see little value for current equity," he added.

Separately, an analyst at J.P.Morgan Securities said both GM and Ford Motor Co (NYSE:F - News) are likely to receive government aid, even as he widened his loss estimates for both companies after they reported far deeper-than-expected quarterly losses.

"Ford management's commentary on the third-quarter call as well as GM's comments raises our optimism that some form of government help is likely given dire Big 3 liquidity," JP Morgan's Himanshu Patel wrote in a note to clients.

On Friday, President-elect Barack Obama said help for the U.S. auto industry was a high priority and urged the Bush administration to do "everything it can" to accelerate disbursement of $25 billion of loans to the industry previously approved to make fuel economy improvements.

"We view government aid as probable and likely sufficient in amount, but significant uncertainty exists surrounding the form of this aid," Patel said.

Any government aid for GM is likely (to) come with significant taxpayer protection measures, suggesting near-term or eventual equity dilution, he added.

"GM equity could be interesting longer term, but we advise near-term caution given uncertainty on the structure of any potential government aid," Patel wrote in a note to clients.

The analyst widened his 2008 loss estimates for GM to $27.86 from $21, and for Ford to $3.35 from $3.20.

He also widened his 2009 loss estimates for GM to $22 from $16.25, and for Ford to $3.10 from $1.90.

On Friday, GM and Ford said their rate of cash burn had accelerated. The two burned through a combined $14.6 billion in cash in the face of deepening global downturn.

Ford and GM also said they expect their rate of cash use to decline in the fourth quarter.

JP Morgan's Patel expects GM will end 2008 with $12.6 billion of cash on hand, exclusive of government loans and modeling only $3 billion of capital raise.

However, Barclays's Johnson expects GM to end the year with $13.3 billion in gross cash.

Shares of GM were trading down $1.31 at $3.04 Monday morning on the New York Stock Exchange, while those of Ford were down about 5 percent at $1.92.
 

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I expect the govt to step in with some aid...hopefully that'll give the stock a bump.
 

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Euler Hermes Cancels Insurance For GM, Ford Suppliers

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http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200811101259DOWJONESDJONLINE000585_FORTUNE5.htm

FRANKFURT -(Dow Jones)- Credit insurer Euler Hermes (425403.FR) has canceled insurance protection for suppliers of General Motors Corp. (GM) and Ford Co. (F) , two people familiar with the matter told Dow Jones Newswires Monday.

According the sources, deliveries from the suppliers weren't covered by insurance in the last two weeks, as the risk of the car makers failing to pay them for deliveries is too high.

Today, up to two-thirds of auto parts aren't produced by the car maker itself, but by suppliers, who must take on considerable credits for that.

The cancellation of the insurance protection puts suppliers under additional pressure, making it more difficult for them to obtain loans. The suppliers might start demanding advance payment for their deliveries or set short-term payment deadlines.
 

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Why do analysts continue to scream "the sky is falling" when the economy is already crappy enough?

They need to keep their stupid mouths shut already! Geez! :rolleyes:
I don't think this is 'sky is falling' talk any more. GM is in serious trouble.
 

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I don't think this is 'sky is falling' talk any more. GM is in serious trouble.
It's doubtful that they'll survive 2008, much less 2009. And nobody will get their Camaros. :no: They'll declare Chapter 11, buyers will be scared off in droves, and they'll cease to exist. :no: And opposition is growing towards a bailout. Even if they do get the bailout, the Camaro isn't safe yet. The Dems could look at it, realize that it won't meet the new CAFE standards, and order it dead.:no:

It's time to do what I did and just kiss your chances at a new Camaro goodbye. :no:
 

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It's doubtful that they'll survive 2008, much less 2009. And nobody will get their Camaros. :no: They'll declare Chapter 11, buyers will be scared off in droves, and they'll cease to exist. :no: And opposition is growing towards a bailout. Even if they do get the bailout, the Camaro isn't safe yet. The Dems could look at it, realize that it won't meet the new CAFE standards, and order it dead.:no:

It's time to do what I did and just kiss your chances at a new Camaro goodbye. :no:

Please Do, Because the one thing GM needs is the f-ing Public giving up on them.

Im curious Do you only Quote what you hear and see on the Radio and TV?

The **** you Spew from your Keyboard really Makes me thing Your Just a flamer and Not really a Camaro Fan....Cause a Real Camaro Fan/GM fan will Not give up on them Even if they Go under Witch They wont....And then Your just gonna look foolish.

And even If GM goes under PPl are still gonna want there Camaro...And GM wont go away.

Try some Compamy Loyalty Instead of Telling us The obvious Say something Upbeat Try being Optimistic.
 

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It's doubtful that they'll survive 2008, much less 2009. And nobody will get their Camaros. :no: They'll declare Chapter 11, buyers will be scared off in droves, and they'll cease to exist. :no: And opposition is growing towards a bailout. Even if they do get the bailout, the Camaro isn't safe yet. The Dems could look at it, realize that it won't meet the new CAFE standards, and order it dead.:no:

It's time to do what I did and just kiss your chances at a new Camaro goodbye. :no:
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Please Do, Because the one thing GM needs is the f-ing Public giving up on them.

Im curious Do you only Quote what you hear and see on the Radio and TV?

The **** you Spew from your Keyboard really Makes me thing Your Just a flamer and Not really a Camaro Fan....Cause a Real Camaro Fan/GM fan will Not give up on them Even if they Go under Witch They wont....And then Your just gonna look foolish.

And even If GM goes under PPl are still gonna want there Camaro...And GM wont go away.

Try some Compamy Loyalty Instead of Telling us The obvious Say something Upbeat Try being Optimistic.
Fine, I'm optimistic that GM will cease to exist next year as-is, if they even make it through.

Don't blame me for being realistic here. GM is SCREWED, shareholder value will be wiped out, and the next thing we know, some Chinese automaker will buy up the Corvette and Victory Red will have a brand new meaning.
 
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