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Hello to all. As being a HUGE 5th Gen Trans AM supporter, I just found out there is a direct petition circulating right now online that is going to be going directly to GM to show our support for the possible soon to be released 5th Generation Trans Am. As per approval by OctaneZ28 ( thank you ) the link is below!!!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Bring_Back_The_Trans_Am/

There is currently 837 signatures. Help me show GM it is in DEMAND!!!
If you want this SWEET car to be produced & see it on the road let it be heard, by who could change it from concept to reality - GM. Thank you for reading my thread & showing your support. Shenna









Lets be heard :roxor::hello::roxor:
 

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sorry i didnt get ur pm back to ya its been one of those days
 

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sorry i didnt get ur pm back to ya its been one of those days
No problem, no offense to you but getting approval from OctaneZ28 worked out. Now I know it was ok from the MAN-TIM!!! I understand those days, with 2 autistic toddler sons I have those days almost EVERYDAY!! The computer is my ESCAPE. LOL.
 

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As long as Lutz is around there will be no Firebird.
especially when Pontiac is getting a G8 sedan, a G8 pick up and a G8 wagon. I think 3 performance models for Pontiac will do in his mind.

and if anything the car thats comming back its the GTO...

with that said I would love to see the Firebird come back. But how? And one thing it has to look like the modern Pontiac and not the bad chops that we have seen around, yours are good if they are yours..but...really those would not work in the direction Pontiac is going. I would say more 3rd gen styling if anything with a little solstice mixed in if there was to a new chicken..

Lutz wants Pontiac to be on par with BMW as far as what they offer.





If you can fit a Trans Am in there that would be cool. Good luck.
 

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I do not have the knowledge, technology, or talent to design a car. Most of the concepts I show are the work of Kevin Morgan, some others not sure where the originated.
We are all entitled to our opinions however,MPO is not too fond of the G8. I hope that is not the direction Pontiac takes, but time will tell. Despite alot of negative comments on the T/A I do not care if they do not make it, I will get one of the cast iron replicas, which are going to be produced. I just will continue to not like many of the newer model cars coming out & as by my signature, I am definitely down with a 5th Gen being based off the 3rd Gen T/A, whichever way Pontiac goes I hope the Firebird will be reborn if not in 2010 by 2012.
 

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I'm sorry, man. I can't: I love the T/A...but It's just not in the cards.

I asked Scott a while back, why pick the Camaro of the two? What does the Camaro have that the T/A doesn't?
the answer? Volume

The Chevy brand is just apt to sell more cars than Pontiac would, all other variables fixed. And since they picked the Camaro, there happens to be a big push going to end most of this re-badging going on within the GM brands. It's a poor practice. unfortunately, the Trans Am would have to be another re-badging - otherwise...it wouldn't be a Trans Am.
 

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It seems since I posted the petition NO SUPPORTERS. Any 5th Gen Trans AM Supporters out there? Show your support - back me up.
Although many think the Firebird is dead & Chevy will prevail, I tend to hope this is what will send Pontiac over the top.If they don't produce it I think I might get a Camaro, but probably not until 2018 or so b/c until then I will be holding out for 5th GEN T/A powered by BIG BLOCK w/ 6spd.
Supporters BACK ME UP - SHENNA
 

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With the G8 sedan and now recent anouncements of the G8 wagon and G8 ute, IMO the next thing will be the G8 coupe just like G6 has a coupe and sedan.

I think the GTO has the next chance if its not called a G8 coupe

I think Firebird will be the last of those choices.



I can't see it being a 2nd gen retroish firebird and a 1st gen retroish camaro either. Although I do think that some of those 2nd gen 5th gen chops do look good, I just don't think it will happen.

Who knows though. They have not said that there will even be a coupe or not much less what it will be called, but I have heard that Holden is developing a coupe so if I were betting I would bet G8 coupe.
 

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also the fact is Pontiac does not own the name Trans Am...Or that they had to pay out to use the name on every T/A they made...So if anything a Firebird would come back. And yes this is the direction Pontiac is taking with its looks for a while..

And its not that we don't think that a new Firebird would be great the fact is that there were alot of petitions just after the Camaro was released with THOUSANDS of signatures on them and GM did not budge, (trust me I signed every one of them)..just a solid NO was most of the replies.
Were just being realists.
and like mentioned and stated the G8 is going to have 2 other variants..
plus a G8 coupe or new GTO...thats 4 cars for Pontaic that will be RWD and V8..how many does Chevy have??? See what I am getting at?
The only reason the original Firebird came to be is cus Pontiac bitched and got a copy for themselves. Today...Pontiac has what is to be a very wel rounded lineup of performance cars. If they add a 2 door coupe it is hard to throw the name Firebird in there. Just not with the way the GTO has been held onto around here. That is also the reason why Camaro is only being made. If a 2 door is made for Pontiac is not going to share the badge enginering that went into the 1-4th gens.

and last like they mentione sales. if Firebird and Camaro sales were even 50/50 or even 40/60 or somethign like that yes the case could be made they can be brought back together. but the majority were Camaro and firebird was left in the dust.
 

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I will get one of the cast iron replicas, which are going to be produced. .

What ones are you talking about? the turn key ones from year one? If so you better check to see where that all american muscle car's iron roots really are from??? I can tell you Australia shares alot more in common with its muscle car heritage of ours than where that kit car's parts are being made...:eek:
 

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Thanks for the info, I am still going to be optimistic & hope it does come out. I understand where you are coming from. I will continue to look forward to the future as time will tell. I really don't like the direction Pontiac will be taking ( I like the current 04-06 GTO ) I hope once their sales fall from their "new line-up" they wake up and make my dream come true.
 

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I really don't like the direction Pontiac will be taking ( I like the current 04-06 GTO ) I hope once their sales fall from their "new line-up" they wake up and make my dream come true.
If thier sales fall never mind no Firebird there will be no Pontiac...this has been a very careful and thought out launch and to the contrary is every bit a hit in the direction its going. Poncho has pretty much made the mark that they were expecting on thier cars.
And truthfully a low volume car like the Firebird would not wake anything up for Pontiac.

Heck the Sostice was supposed to be a low volume car and its mopping the floor with Miata ;)
 

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If thier sales fall never mind no Firebird there will be no Pontiac...this has been a very careful and thought out launch and to the contrary is every bit a hit in the direction its going. Poncho has pretty much made the mark that they were expecting on thier cars.
And truthfully a low volume car like the Firebird would not wake anything up for Pontiac.

Heck the Sostice was supposed to be a low volume car and its mopping the floor with Miata ;)
I am not a fan of the Solstice. I think Pontiac's current designs are their own fault for lack of character during designing & sales clearly show I am not alone, except 04-06 GTO. I am a huge motorhead & got my own preferances like everybody else, but besides the Trans Am/ Firebird, not really into Pontiac AT ALL!!! As a matter of fact the Camaro or Trans Am/Firebird is one of the few domestics I would ever buy. If there is not 5th Gen T/A I am cool with blowing my 305tpi in my 87 GTA & giving the new 5th Gen Camaro's a run down the track, in due time.
 

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I am not a fan of the Solstice. I think Pontiac's current designs are their own fault for lack of character during designing & sales clearly show I am not alone, except 04-06 GTO. .
I am not sure I am following you on this???
Pontiac is hitting sales targets on its lineups give or take a few. and the Solstice is selling. But like you said people have thier own opinions. the GTO I thought was a great car :D It was at the end of a long run and really is outdated by todays standards of what a cars design should look like. Its got the 90's jelly bean look to it. that was bland. But that for some is not a bad thing ;) I thought it looked great :D
and was a bad ass on the street :D
 

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Pontiac may be hitting sales targets give or take but others are blowing their targets out of the water but not just by a few but thousands over what they want to sell including Chevy. I seen the thread for the new Malibu's & they can't even keep them on the lots before they are sold. When I drive by Pontiac dealer don't see too many cars moving.
 

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I'm sorry, man. I can't: I love the T/A...but It's just not in the cards.

I asked Scott a while back, why pick the Camaro of the two? What does the Camaro have that the T/A doesn't?
the answer? Volume

The Chevy brand is just apt to sell more cars than Pontiac would, all other variables fixed. And since they picked the Camaro, there happens to be a big push going to end most of this re-badging going on within the GM brands. It's a poor practice. unfortunately, the Trans Am would have to be another re-badging - otherwise...it wouldn't be a Trans Am.
I agree. It not that we dont like the trans am; its just not practical. I would expect a G8 coupe/GTO before a firebird mostly because Im sure Holden in Australia is going to want there Monaro after they get done with our Camaro (And prolly share some ideas learned in R&D with the Camaro).

Personally I love the way pontiac is deterring away from chevy as for independant styling. I hate rebadging on any car, its just seems cheap. And the last thing I would want is something to make my experience of the camaro cheap. Pontiac is on a roll in the cutting edge styling department and, like many have said, retro isnt in the cars. Ive looked at every firebird photochop of the 5th gen and I still get a bad taste in my mouth. All of them look like they stole the front end of Burt Reynold's Bandit and glued it onto a 5th gen and stuck a crap load of ricer scoops on it.
 

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I would like to see a Trans Am, but GM isn't going to let it happen. They know that most of the TA people will come on over to the Camaro. They may lose some buyers. They are hoping to be hitting their production numbers easily for the first few years anyway.
 

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What? You don't like that Beehive look to a rim? ;)
I think I read/heard somewhere, that Pontiac is supposed to be going completely RWD eventually?
Whether or not that's true...I think Pontiac is 100% going in the right direction. The Solstice is/was a hit.

And to say that the Malibus are moving fast compared to Pontiac's cars is just not fair...I can see what you're saying...but the Malibu is a brand-new, awesome car. Pontiac doesn't have anything (yet) that's brand-new.
Wait untill the G8 hit's dealers...:D then you can watch Pontiac really move cars.
 
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