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And there would be no -- repeat, no -- Pontiac version of the sporty two-door, Lutz said.


That kind of badge engineering "is what got us in trouble in the first place," he said of GM's woes during an interview at the show.


GM, Lutz said, suffers from "too many years of doing cars and trucks that were OK. We don't do that anymore. We do beyond OK."


For instance, he said, look back at how GM bean-counters and product engineers mismanaged the original Camaro into well-deserved oblivion.
"We got too far away from the original role of the car. It became too streamlined. The passenger compartment became too compromised. It became too expensive. It became too heavy. It became a car that just lost its way -- the same as the Ford Mustang did for awhile.


"There was a time when all of the original pony cars got bigger and bigger and heavier and heavier and more and more expensive and suddenly nobody could afford them anymore."
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bastards, but i do agree with 90% of what he says with the badge engineering and the heavy and expensive. maybe this will mean the camaro will be reasonably priced. and maybe an aftermarket company will make a kit to make a T/A, like one of the photochops
 

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Right on. I completely agree; a Firebird would be a bad idea. Insanity is continuing to do what you've always done and expecting the results to be different.
 

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... but GM has no problem doing a Pontiac version of the Cobalt... :rolleyes:
 

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I didnt really expect them to even think about a firebird. Too much of GM's time and money would've been spent on that. I agree with Lutz though. I'd rather have just a camaro, and let it be successful, and help pull GM out of the hole. You gotta focus on one thing at a time. I really look forward to the Camaro coming out soon.
 

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Chris 96 WS6 said:
http://autos.canada.com/news/story.html?id=46480b0f-3105-42b7-b5c5-bf84c49c9d21

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And there would be no -- repeat, no -- Pontiac version of the sporty two-door, Lutz said.


That kind of badge engineering "is what got us in trouble in the first place," he said of GM's woes during an interview at the show.


GM, Lutz said, suffers from "too many years of doing cars and trucks that were OK. We don't do that anymore. We do beyond OK."


For instance, he said, look back at how GM bean-counters and product engineers mismanaged the original Camaro into well-deserved oblivion.
"We got too far away from the original role of the car. It became too streamlined. The passenger compartment became too compromised. It became too expensive. It became too heavy. It became a car that just lost its way -- the same as the Ford Mustang did for awhile.


"There was a time when all of the original pony cars got bigger and bigger and heavier and heavier and more and more expensive and suddenly nobody could afford them anymore."
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you notice he avoids using the term "firebird" in there. i believe this coudl mean eventually they will come out wiht a car that is totally seperate from the camaro called the firebird. however i agree that it's a good idea not to have two cars wiht just different names.
 

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I agree with him on this one..but they have to have some kinda RWD sports type car with a nice V8 in it.
 

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There is no way that they should even think about the fire-chicken any more it was a stripped camaro that just sucked! Bob is the man he knows what is up and the camaro is where it is at for GM! It will pull them out of this downward spiral sooner than they can get them out to the dealers!
 
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