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This thread is going to be a work in progress developing a business case paper on a mid-level V8 for the Camaro. There's enough of us upset at the rumors of a high output V6 going up against the GT instead of a base V8 model that we want to actually do something about it.
My concept for a campaign for a Mid-V8 is to develop the write up first to encapsulate what we want, then start a petition and spread on all the popular sites.
Here are some notes I typed up on the data we need to get our feet wet. I think we have the concept down pretty firmly, just need facts to insert where needed
We need to know the following:
Fuel consumption of HFV6
Fuel consumption of LS4 with AFM
HP/TQ for HFV6
HP/TQ for LS4
Physical/external dimensions and weight of HFV6
Physical/external dimensions and weight of LS4
Maintenance costs/reliability of HFV6
Maintenance costs/reliability of LS4
88-92 Camaro sales data broken down by engine option, specifically looking at V8 Rally Sport as % of the whole. Need to demonstrate demand for mid-v8 and disspell concerns over cannibalizing SS/Z28 sales.
Estimated 5th gen model pricing
Guy's estimates are V6 Camaro ~$20K, a few $100 more than Mustang
HFV6 $24K, a few hundred less than Mustang
SS $26-28K, which is absurdly optimistic. Figure $30K
Today's Mustang model pricing extrapolated to 2008/9
Current $19,900 V6 (adjusting for 3yrs inflation 21,100)
GT is $25,800 (2009: 27,400)
Projected matchup
Mustang V6 $21,100 -- Camaro V6 $21,600
Mustang GT $27,400 -- HFV6 Camaro $26,000 (a Charlie number)
--------------------------------- Camaro SS $30K plus
GT500 $36,000 ---------- Z28 $37,000
Current model Mustang sales numbers, specifically % of GT sales vs whole and compared to V6 sales.
My concept for a campaign for a Mid-V8 is to develop the write up first to encapsulate what we want, then start a petition and spread on all the popular sites.
Here are some notes I typed up on the data we need to get our feet wet. I think we have the concept down pretty firmly, just need facts to insert where needed
We need to know the following:
Fuel consumption of HFV6
Fuel consumption of LS4 with AFM
HP/TQ for HFV6
HP/TQ for LS4
Physical/external dimensions and weight of HFV6
Physical/external dimensions and weight of LS4
Maintenance costs/reliability of HFV6
Maintenance costs/reliability of LS4
88-92 Camaro sales data broken down by engine option, specifically looking at V8 Rally Sport as % of the whole. Need to demonstrate demand for mid-v8 and disspell concerns over cannibalizing SS/Z28 sales.
Estimated 5th gen model pricing
Guy's estimates are V6 Camaro ~$20K, a few $100 more than Mustang
HFV6 $24K, a few hundred less than Mustang
SS $26-28K, which is absurdly optimistic. Figure $30K
Today's Mustang model pricing extrapolated to 2008/9
Current $19,900 V6 (adjusting for 3yrs inflation 21,100)
GT is $25,800 (2009: 27,400)
Projected matchup
Mustang V6 $21,100 -- Camaro V6 $21,600
Mustang GT $27,400 -- HFV6 Camaro $26,000 (a Charlie number)
--------------------------------- Camaro SS $30K plus
GT500 $36,000 ---------- Z28 $37,000
Current model Mustang sales numbers, specifically % of GT sales vs whole and compared to V6 sales.