[Dirtfarmer]

I'll set the stage...

Every Saturday morning, a bunch of us show up at the local doughnut shop with our rides. We have old Lincoln's, Corvettes, Cougars, MG's, etc. so there's always somebody drawn to something and they'll come over and talk for a little while and share stories.

Well today this meathead shows up and knows everthing (not really). He makes the rounds talking to everyone about their cars. He finally finishes up talking to a friend of mine with a new GT 500 Mustang. Meathead is slobbering all over the GT, which doesn't really bother me, but then he starts bagging on the new Camaro and what a step back it will be with only 400 hp.

I held my tongue.

It was tough but it made me wonder. With rumors of the supercharged Blue Devil/Z07/SS Corvette coming out soon, could a supercharged Camaro be far behind? Ford's already done it with the mustang, why wouldn't Chevy offer it with their pony?

 

[HEAVY H.P.]

:lol:

I understand what your sayin. I really really do.
I think there is a chance that GM will come out with a 500hp Camaro but I think it all depends on Dodge for now. The reason I say this is if Dodge decides to make a 500hp Challenger then I think GM will get on the bus with Ford and Chrysler. If Ford is the only one with one they might not be too tempted. Some people are going to say no because the Camaro cant out perform the Vette. They are right. I think a 500hp Camaro should dog walk a C6 depending on its weight. But it wont out run the 600hp ZO6.
I think that there will be a big horse power Camaro from GM.
I can only hope its in the first year.
Im allowed to dream.

 

[Jinx]

I can see a limited or small production (like ZO6, SRT-8, and GT500), supercharged 6.2 (LS8/9) ZL1 Camaro, but after the release of the supercharged vette.
But I wouldnt say narrow minded people, but people who just dont agree with you.
Im not a "nothing beats a vette person" but a "nothing GM makes beats a top dog vette aka Z06 of the same year". I think a ZL1 camaro could beat a LS3 vette, but not a Z06 with the same engine. But vette sales could influence the camaro's progress. For example, just to keep vette guys for scream from there soapbox, GM will prolly still further underrated the 5th gen or overrate the vette. Same for ZL1 vs. Z06. But its just speculation and opinion. Other people make up the reasoning (GM executives), and can conflict with anyone opinion at any given point. So I wouldnt claim to have the right opinion, cause Im not one to eat my words. But I will still post my opinion, ans at this point that is all what we have to go by.

 

[Devryn]

It's simple, historically GM has not built a Camaro that could outperform any same-year Corvette. They have built a VERY LIMITED number of specialty cars that could (Grand National GNX, Syclone), but this has been something that is very consistent.

I'm not saying there won't be a supercharged Camaro, I'm just saying that GM won't build it themselves. Maybe SLP or Saleen...Hell maybe even Roush...And it could and probably would be sold in GM dealerships, but it wouldn't be a GM built car. There are a couple of reason for this:

1. The Corvette is GMs legacy car. As much as I love the Camaro, the Corvette is IT for GM in terms of performance.

2. I don't see them building a Camaro that costs more than a Vette, even if it's performance is marginally less.

3. The reason Dodge and Ford can build these 500 hp monsters and not piss anyone off is because they don't have a Vette. That's to say that Dodge's next highest performing car is the $80K Viper, and Ford's is the $150K GT40, and you better believe they won't build a Challenger or Mustang that'll compete with either of those.

 

[slims00ls1z28]

I'm going to kinda agree with dev that this "might" not roll off the factory line, however I have no doubt that something like SLP built cars will. I don't think GM is too worried about the Camaro catching the upper tier of the Vette. I mean hell a 600 HP viper came out and they were like "so it still can't catch it". A 550 HP Camaro won't touch a 500 HP Z06 much less this supercharged beast so it's a fair bet they are not worried about that if anyone looks at it logically which I'm sure their engineers know this. There's another aspect that I also look at and that's the fact that another GM car also shares this SC engine, that new Caddy V. So that leads me to believe that it is not as limited a production engine as the LS7 and could find its way "detuned" into the bay of my Camaro. My bet if it lands it will be 475-500 even HP just to keep the shallow "penis envy" C6 Z06 owners who think that HP is all that it takes and don't actually realize that their 500 HP is worth a lot more than 500 in the heavier less aero Camaro. Not of course the real Z06 owners who know this.

Bottom line IMO its a good possibility. Whether or not its a SLP special or GM remains to be seen.

 

[Jinx]

An out-sourced builted could be more realistic like Dev said. A penske, saleen, SLP, or someone could make a supercharged car available faster or possible.

 

[slims00ls1z28]

My bet is SLP given all the parts are GM. Someone like Saleen etc would more than likely use their own. Kind of like the LT4 Fbods. They were all GM parts but "technically" not off the line that way the Vette boys wouldn't cry when they got walked. Which they did.

 

[HEAVY H.P.]

I hope there will be a 500hp Camaro some people think it most likly wont happend. Thats fine, my post was not to say hey listen to me Im a GM rep. Or listen to me I have a ton of facts why they wont do it. We all dont know. In your post Dirtfarmer it seem like u wanted to know some guys opinions on the high horse Camaro topic so I gave u mine. And what I said was to warn you about some bickering that might start thats all. Me Jinx and Devryn dont agree on alot of stuff. But one thing is clear I think we all want a 5th gen. So if my post sounded like what they are sayin it sounds like then I apologise to u. But its what I think will happend and if it doesnt, then hell it doesnt. As long as im behind the wheel of my new Camaro im ok with it.

Welcome to 5th gen.org :5go:

 

[Naute]

im with one of those certain people as well but not as stern as Devyrn may be. I just don't see the camaro being blown. why would they skip from 430 HP LS3 to blown beast??? why skip the 505 NA LS7?? i dont know. i just dont see it happening. and we camaro people will be coming after those over paid Mustangs, nodoubt.

 

[slims00ls1z28]

Just give me mine with a huffer off the lot. I don't care really if SLP or John force builds part of it :roxor:. Otherwise I might skip the top dog and buy a mid lvl v8 and put my own on. I'm one of the one who will pay more for a top rung Camaro (MSRP speaking) than a bottom rung Vette especially if it will chew the fat off of the Vette.

 

[HEAVY H.P.]

im with one of those certain people as well but not as stern as Devyrn may be. I just don't see the camaro being blown. why would they skip from 430 HP LS3 to blown beast??? why skip the 505 NA LS7?? i dont know. i just dont see it happening. and we camaro people will be coming after those over paid Mustangs, nodoubt.

The LS7 is susposed to be done with. I guess thats the whole point of the Blue D Vette. I dont even know if I would want one with a 427 in it. The Camaro would most likly start at $50K.

If it went the way I would love it to I think it would look like this.

Camaro V6 (hopefully that 300hp V6 they have)
Z28 Camaro V8 (LS3)
SS Camaro V8 (LS3 with Ram Air better exhaust or somethin)
ZL1 Camaro V8 (Blown LS3 better suspension, some weight reduction only comes in M6)
Thats how I would want it to go.
But I dont own GM so.....

 

[Naute]

The LS7 is susposed to be done with. I guess thats the whole point of the Blue D Vette. I dont even know if I would want one with a 427 in it. The Camaro would most likly start at $50K.

If it went the way I would love it to I think it would look like this.

Camaro V6 (hopefully that 300hp V6 they have)
Z28 Camaro V8 (LS3)
SS Camaro V8 (LS3 with Ram Air better exhaust or somethin)
ZL1 Camaro V8 (Blown LS3 better suspension, some weight reduction only comes in M6)
Thats how I would want it to go.
But I dont own GM so.....

i like how u think :roxor:

 

[brandonppr]

I think we will see a supercharged or hybrid Camaro in 2009. Just my opinion. I feel this is one of the first times that Camaro is a halo car and I feel that could change the way things have been in the past.

 

[USA1Camaro]

I don't think you will see it the first year for sure, if at all.

I plan making mine twin turboed regardless.

 

[Dirtfarmer]

While the Camaro vs Corvette arguement has a place here, I'm wondering about Camaro's competition, the Mustang.

Camaro Vs Mustang

Lately, Ford seems intent on raising Mustang HP every year with some supercharged model. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to reach 500hp Ford needs to use a supercharger as in the GT500 (500 hp) and GT 40 (550 hp). The Shelby GT500KR (540 hp) will also superchaged.

Chevy wouldn't need a SC to get Camaro into that horsepower realm. Chevy has done very well getting the horses out of their naturally-aspirated engines. Drop a 505 hp LS7 and you have the GT500 beat. Add a SC to the package and you'll be sending Ford back to the drawing board.


Which brings us to the Camaro vs Corvette initiative.

For 2008 the standard Corvette is up to 430 hp while the Z06 is dialed in at 505 hp. Taking it step further is the rumored supercharged Corvette said to end up in the realm of 650 hp.

The Corvette's biggest advantage is that it is engineered to be light weight. Compare the 500 hp GT500 Mustang to the 400hp Corvette; the Corvette wins in every magazine comparison test that I've seen (the Mustang is over 600 lb heavier). Is this indicative of the future Camaro / Corvette comparo?

Much of it will rest on the Camaro's weight, aerodynamics, center of gravity, etc. You could conceivably have a 500 hp factory blown Camaro that can't keep up with 400 hp base Corvette.


Back to the point.

The Mustang and the Challenger will be the direct competition for the Camaro. We've got a 540 hp Mustang in the works for 2008. There is a rumored 525 hp Challenger out there. The top model Camaro is rumored to get a 400 hp powerplant? Hmmm....

 

[HEAVY H.P.]

Thats why I said I think they are waitn to see.
If the Challenger gets that 392 I think we will see a ZL1.
Cause I think the Challenger will most likly be faster than the GT500.
If Chevy doesnt do it. It wil just be a shame. Never the less The Camaro will have the better after market so the both of them should still be easy to catch.

 

[Devryn]

While the Camaro vs Corvette arguement has a place here, I'm wondering about Camaro's competition, the Mustang.

Camaro Vs Mustang

Lately, Ford seems intent on raising Mustang HP every year with some supercharged model. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to reach 500hp Ford needs to use a supercharger as in the GT500 (500 hp) and GT 40 (550 hp). The Shelby GT500KR (540 hp) will also superchaged.

Chevy wouldn't need a SC to get Camaro into that horsepower realm. Chevy has done very well getting the horses out of their naturally-aspirated engines. Drop a 505 hp LS7 and you have the GT500 beat. Add a SC to the package and you'll be sending Ford back to the drawing board.


Which brings us to the Camaro vs Corvette initiative.

For 2008 the standard Corvette is up to 430 hp while the Z06 is dialed in at 505 hp. Taking it step further is the rumored supercharged Corvette said to end up in the realm of 650 hp.

The Corvette's biggest advantage is that it is engineered to be light weight. Compare the 500 hp GT500 Mustang to the 400hp Corvette; the Corvette wins in every magazine comparison test that I've seen (the Mustang is over 600 lb heavier). Is this indicative of the future Camaro / Corvette comparo?

Much of it will rest on the Camaro's weight, aerodynamics, center of gravity, etc. You could conceivably have a 500 hp factory blown Camaro that can't keep up with 400 hp base Corvette.


Back to the point.

The Mustang and the Challenger will be the direct competition for the Camaro. We've got a 540 hp Mustang in the works for 2008. There is a rumored 525 hp Challenger out there. The top model Camaro is rumored to get a 400 hp powerplant? Hmmm....

The only thing is that when they (Mustang and Challenger) get into that HP range, the only thing they're competing against would be the Vette.

I BELIEVE there are two fronts historically on which GM is not going to mess with the Vette.

1) They will not have a Camaro that OUTPERFORMS a Vette. (duh)
2) They will not have a Camaro that costs MORE than a Vette (unless you're talking a "Pace Car" version or something similar) I just don't see them making a Camaro that's a 1/10th of a sec slower than a Vette, but costs MORE than a Vette.

 

[brandonppr]

I don't believe that current Mustang owners consider the Vette there competition. I think they consider the Camaro and Challenger there competition. That being said, I think if the Camaro does not have an answer to the GT500 with around the same production as Ford has then Ford has won that battle or Challenger depending on how there car plays out. Although I don't think the GT500 is going to be the best bang for your buck they still will have one that battle.


A base vette is $45K

 

[OctaneZ28]

Moving this to General Discussion.

I really like the idea of a blower on a Camaro from the factory.

Would I buy it?
Well, I would like to, but I don't know if I would be able to afford it.
Then again, you never know hehe.

 

[Naute]

Moving this to General Discussion.

I really like the idea of a blower on a Camaro from the factory.

Would I buy it?
Well, I would like to, but I don't know if I would be able to afford it.
Then again, you never know hehe.

i wouldn't. i plan on adding a aftermarket blower anyway. GM always uses roots blower when they should be using the more effiecient twin screw, IMO...

but none the less a factory blown camaro will have Ford scratching their heads on what to do.