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This is another thread of mine where I'm asking for your thoughts on this car.

Ignore my bike threads and nissan threads, this is about the beretta as a DD. I'm not changing my mind on anything, just curious and looking for a wider prespective on my options/urges.


My friend has a '95 Beretta Z26 (In Purple:rolleyes:) with the 3.1 v6/auto setup. It is a quick little thing and especially with us in it...250lb driver and 200 passenger (me..about last year :lol:)...plus 50lb audio crap = 500 pounds of dead weight! Anyways..I've always really liked these cars, especially the z26 with that front lip gfx, it looks cool.

However, I only want to buy things with potential so I am on the fence with this one. I really like the 3.1 and don't know what aftermarket life it has but it seems to be an ok platform...nothing like a honda or other jap tuner of course. I love the styling and I'm thinking a 14sec car would be good enough, since my camaro is slowly creeping towards 13s...yes...with it's 5.0L.

Though I want one purely on looks and it's chevy nametag, speed would be a bonus, and I think it would be cool to have a tuner like vehicle that is American. Quad 4 + 5 speed = 180hp/160tq..stock.


What do you think?
 

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3.1 Beretta's can get into the 14's easy, and have decent after market support.


Most people tear the 3.1 apart and put a hybrid 3.1l / 3.4l / 3.8l in.


Good luck finding a 2.3L LG0 or W41 Beretta. :lol:
LG0 is 180whp from 1989 to 1992, 175 hp in 1993, and 170 hp in 1994
W41 is 190 hp in 1991 and 1992, and 185 hp in 1993.


Most Beretta's have LD2 2.3l Motors in them.
LD2 motors make alot less horse power. BTW
DO NOT GET A 95 LD2 motor. They are junk.

I though you didn't like rice 4 bangers. You keep making fun of my cavalier. ;) My cavalier has a LG0/W41 Hybrid motor in it. :p :thumbsup:
 

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i had a 94 3.1L corsica (basically a 4 door version of the beretta) as my very first car. i always lusted after the berettas when i had the corsica cuz i've always preferred 2 doors.

those little 3.1s are fairly quick. i never modified mine, but i understand there is an aftermarket for them. i used to go on n-body.net when i had my 99 alero and there was always guys on there modifying their cars. the beretta would be a fun car :D
 

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Oh my goodness... What is so very odd is how popular these cars are in rural Pennsylvania. When I see a Beretta, I automatically think dirtbag. I know, I know... how rude, but it is a stereotype that seems to be reiterated each time I see a Beretta. I had an ex who was IN LOVE with them. She had a 95 Z26 3100 (also purple), and a 96 Z26 3100. She sold them to purchase an 03 Grand Am GT - but then sold that and got ANOTHER Z26, this time, a 94 Quad 4 5 speed. You may be thinking "so, demonspeed, you are admitting you dated a dirtbag". Well, she was a liar and a cheater, so go figure!

I am really confused as to what you're all comparing the 3100 to to think it is quick. It is a dog, especially mated to that slushbox since that was the only thing available (unlike the Z24 which could be had with a 3.1/5 speed). Something to also keep in mind is that the 3100 is different than the 3.1 MPFI.

My experience with the Quad 4 is pretty much the same. It is quite a torquey 4 cylinder, but it still doesn't have much on the newer cars. Of course, this wasn't an HO with the 180hp (which was found in the GTU; the "red top" Q4HO was only available in the Olds). It's also a very raucous engine and is not smooth in power delivery at all. They also eat through head gaskets and you'll want to keep up with spark plug changes as well as the little plastic things that mate the plug tops to the coil thingy under the plate that says "Quad 4 something or other".

There seems to be quite a following for these cars, especially in western PA. You can find them all on www.beretta.net (though, with a quick glance to check the domain name, it appears the site has changed a bit). IIRC, the "leader", or the one everyone had a hard-on for, was Rex with a 13-second Q4, I believe.

With all of that said, I had a friend in HS that bought a very clean Z26 and swapped a 3400/5 speed into his. I remember when he first got that thing and we'd rip it around - DOG SLOW. I never got a chance to go for a ride with the engine swap, but I'm guessing it would be *maybe* in the low 15's. I give that guesstimate because I took my ex's GAGT to the track and pulled a 15.8 @ 80-something with the same 3400 (but with a slushbox).

Besides all of my whining about how slow they are, they have a tendency to rust extremely bad at the door hinges and front of the kick plate. Also, the dash warps horribly, and my personal opinion is complete dislike for the control layout and the silly dial thingys that control the lights and wipers, IIRC. The seats are pretty "racy", but the position is odd and I could never get them adjusted at an appropriate height or recline. Don't even get me started on those stupid door-mounted seatbelts that were the rage in the late 80's and early 90's...

With all of that said, I do like the looks of the GTZ/Z26 - except the wheels. The GTZ had these ugly body-color matched wheels, and the Z26 shared the same wheels with the Lumina minivan! I would probably slap on a set of the chrome Cavalier LS Sport wheels (from 02-05) and call it a day. Finding a clean one is going to be next to impossible, especially up here in the snow.

I know too much about these for not caring too much about them. My advice - skip it and keep your Camaro for now. Honestly, you need to be saving your money while you are in school. I know I sound like a parent, but I wish I would have listened when people told me this. When you get out, get yourself an LS1 and be thrilled. If you absolutely have to get something new, sell the Camaro and get a LS1 car.
 

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Demonspeed said it all. Although I loved the looks of these cars there just isnt much there plus your working with FWD. An LS1 or even an LT1 camaro/firbird would be so much more fun.
 

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'tis true... but he's got the fbodies, so i figured he was just looking for something a little different to add to the mix.

and since my corsica was my first car, and i had never driven an LS1 yet, i thought it was fairly quick and i used to beat up on all the other kids in high school with their civics and other 4 bangers. so it seemed fairly quick at the time, but of course it is not even comparable to a V8 fbody ;)
 

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'tis true... but he's got the fbodies, so i figured he was just looking for something a little different to add to the mix.

and since my corsica was my first car, and i had never driven an LS1 yet, i thought it was fairly quick and i used to beat up on all the other kids in high school with their civics and other 4 bangers. so it seemed fairly quick at the time, but of course it is not even comparable to a V8 fbody ;)
We've all been there. I remember thinking how blazingly fast my IROC was. Ignorance is bliss when growing up :)
 

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Selena is right, I just wanted something a little different. I really like the way they look and now that I really think about it, I wanted one more for just running around town and for winter driving, not trying to make it a quick runner. I like being different, and how often do you see a beretta that is nice?

Everybody dislikes Nissans so I try to pick a sporty GM car and all I hear is crap about it....wtf!
 

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hey now! i didn't give you any crap ;)
 

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No crap from me, just first hand experience.

Oh, and I like Nissan (I would go to them if there was no more Detroit).

Since you're looking at those types of vehicles, another one would be the Lumina Z34. 3.4 Twin Cam is a special engine, and just as finicky. The killer for them is also the ugly minivan wheels. I believe they had woodgrain running the width of the dash, too.

Something a littler older - maybe a Cavalier Z24, like a 92-94.
 

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Yeah I Know, just bored here with nothing to do! No school or even work today! It's raining so I can't wash my car or run it hard!

Well, since they are almost the same, what do you think on the Cavalier Z24, 2nd generation obvioulsy, 88-94.

Did someone mention a 3.1 with 5 speed? That would be awesome right there, otherwise I'd just go with a beretta 3.1/auto and call it a day.
 

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Yup, the second gen Z24's were available with the 3.1 5 speed combo in '90 (2.8 89 and older). My favorite are the 92-94's. They have upgraded bumpers and ground effects and a spoiler instead of a luggage rack.

Check out www.j-body.org and www.v6z24.com

BTW, I stereotype these the same as a Beretta :lol: I still think they look alright, though. My buddy had an 88 Z24 2.8 auto in high school. He had exhaust, intake and a chip and would keep up with my stock L98 IROC from a dig. Once I put the headers and catback on, it wasn't close, but still, not bad for a little econocar.

Eitherway, I'd probably go with the Z24 over the Z26 simply because of the bad memories a Beretta would bring back for me. It may not matter to you, though. One of my dream projects for a while was to build a 96-99 Z24 2.4 Twin Cam. I stuck with the Camaros instead. I might pick one up since I'm going to be commuting 45 miles one way from Delmont to Cranberry everyday.

This is an 88 I think:



I'm guessing this is a 92:



FWIW, the Lumina Z34 3.4 twin cam I mentioned was available with a 5 speed. They are very hard to find, though.

In case anyone hasn't been able to figure out, I am SUPER OBSESSED with late 80's and early to mid 90's GM cars. Guilty as charged and not afraid to admit it!
 

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^^ Exactly what I like!

I totally forgot about the lumina Z34, but yes I love them too. My neighbor has a red one and it's an auto but that doens't matter. I would drive an auto z34 any day. I don't know much about their 3.4 but they are one of my favorite GM cars.

Wow Demon, maybe I'm the miny version of you...Camaros in highscool and a love for these little things lol.

You know more about these than I do obviously, how reliable are they, parts expensive, and how many miles is too much for one of these?
 

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While I am not as mechanically familiar with the Cavalier as I am with the Beretta, I would say the single most thing to look for is rust.

I think the GM 60* V6's are pretty solid, and if you found a 5 speed, it would certainly be reliable. As far as cost for parts - it's an old GM, parts will be cheap and plentiful. The only engines that might end up costing time and money are the Quad 4's and Twin Cams (2.3, 2.4 and 3.4). A cool swap would be a 3.9/6 speed stick from an 06 G6 GTP.

Just take a look around. There are plenty of these cars still on the road.

That white one I posted sure is sharp. I forgot all about these cars until this thread.
 

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i had a 1990 GTZ with the quad 4....i loved that car..only problem was the head gasket in the first engine went..got a rebuilt quad 4 and the head gasket blew again :angry:
 

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I've been looking around at a whole bunch today and I've seen some real nice ones, I honestly might buy one.

Still trying to shudder off the thought of some other tuners cars...that shall not be named! :D
 

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If you want cheap, then those older Z24's would fit the bill. If you want something a little newer and more reliable, I'd look at the 03-05 LS Sports. The Ecotec is a great engine. The only thing is that the early ones (00-05) would blow the timing set around 60k miles. If you catch it before it happens, then it's not so bad. If you don't, you're rebuilding a head.
 

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