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I love articles that hit you with big charges in the beggining and then don't expand on them (Like human trafficing...It was mentioned, but never exampled), or don't really dwell on WHERE these abuses are happening (since it happened in Japan and is therefore Japans problem/news).

I agree with their stance on no Unions. Unions were established during our industrial revolution when people were being abused and killed by their jobs. We have standards and the government to keep that stuff in check now.
 

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You missed the article... Autoblog only summarizes the article... you need to click the green "Read" button after the blurb.

http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=562

Excerpts from actual article:

"Toyota leads the Race to the Bottom: Toyota, now the largest auto company in the world, is using its size and success to impose its two-tier, low-wage model at its non-union plants across America, which will result in a race to the bottom with wages and benefits being slashed throughout the entire auto industry."

"Toyota sells more vehicles in the U.S. (2.92 million cars, vans and trucks) than in Japan (2.19 million) where its sales are falling."

"Toyota held its wages and benefits down by setting up non-union plants in the South, far from auto industries’ stronghold in the upper Midwest. (Toyota has just one unionized plant in Fremont, California, which is a joint venture with G.M.) To keep the unions out, Toyota has been paying hourly wages which are roughly comparable with the Big Three, but with much lower benefits. Toyota pays around $25 per hour in comparison with G.M.’s $26 to $28."

Toyota Also Spreads Fear In the U.S.
“They [Toyota] want people to fear losing their jobs”
 

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You missed what I said. They claim human trafficking, but they do nothing to elaborate or substantiate, furthermore, it's not even in the US, therefore, it's the problem of whatever Country it is in.
Second, I don't agree with Unionizing because the time of the Union is gone.
Low wage temps: a full one-third, or 10,000 Toyota assembly line workers, are low wage temp and subcontract workers who earn less than 60 percent of what full time workers do. Temps have few rights and are hired under contracts as short as four months.
YOU'RE A TEMP! Apply for a full time job! WTF?!
Sweatshops and human trafficking: Toyota’s parts supply chain is riddled with sweatshop abuse, including the human trafficking of tens of thousands of foreign guest workers—mostly from China and Vietnam—to Japan, where they are stripped of their passports and forced to work grueling hours seven days a week, often earning less than half the legal minimum wage. Sixteen-hour shifts, from 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight are common.
I assume if they could prove it, this would be in the mainstream media.
Linked to Burmese Dictators: Toyota—through the Toyota Tsusho Corporation which is part of the Toyota Group—is involved in several joint business ventures with the ruthless military dictators of Burma, which put revenues into the pockets of the dictators who use it to repress Burma’s 50 million people.
Not America's problem.
Toyota criticized by the ILO: The UN/International Labor Organization points to Toyota’s suppression of freedom of association at its plant in the Philippines as “an illustration of how a multinational company, apparently with little regard for corporate responsibility, has done everything in its power to prevent recognition and certification of the Toyota Motor Company Workers Association.” (ILO Working Group, December 2003.)
Not America's Problem.
Toyota is Lowering Wages and Benefits in the U.S.
Tough economic times. Even $12.00/hr is a good wage for someone uneducated with no special skills. They could be flipping burgers for $6/hr. Gimme a break.
 

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Oh, and if anyone wants to press the issue about human rights violations and how it's so terrible, look at the labels of everything on your person. If any of it says Made in China, Singapore, Thailand, India, Taiwan or anyplace other than America or EU, then you might want to reconsider your position.
 

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"Toyota held its wages and benefits down by setting up non-union plants in the South, far from auto industries’ stronghold in the upper Midwest."
I love that. They makes it sound like Toyota did something bad. The annual income levels are waaay lower in the south than up north in EVERY job market. Why wouldn't you want to build a plant in Alabama, where you can pay workers half of what the ones in Detroit make, and it's still considered a good wage? If you are GM, you can't really pull out of Detroit and do that. But if you are building your first plant in the U.S., where would you rather build it? Around cheaper labor/housing costs, or around more expensive? No-brainer there.
 

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If this is true, it IS America's problem because car buyers may be unknowingly supporting this activity.

Not saying it is our problem is the type of ignorance that caused society to be in the piss poor shape it is today...
Did you look at the tags on your shirts, shoes, shorts, and stained underwear? Workers in those sweatshops probably get treated far worse. Do you think that NONE of the parts in American automobiles come from places like that? I guess ignorance is bliss, but get real.
 

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Did you look at the tags on your shirts, shoes, shorts, and stained underwear? Workers in those sweatshops probably get treated far worse. Do you think that NONE of the parts in American automobiles come from places like that? I guess ignorance is bliss, but get real.
WTF are you talking about? I never said any other company didn't do things like this, Toyota is the topic of the thread, try sticking to the topic.

Ignorance? I'm hardly ignorant to the topic. You post like you know me... stick to crying about mis-treatment on internet forums.
 

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WTF are you talking about? I never said any other company didn't do things like this, Toyota is the topic of the thread, try sticking to the topic.

Ignorance? I'm hardly ignorant to the topic. You post like you know me... stick to crying about mis-treatment on internet forums.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. If nothing else, the Guru is consistent!:lol:
 

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How can one not see the big picture. We're shifting to a world market, but everyone here likes to bash on Toyota, when American companies do the same or worse, not to mention, most of us shop at Wal-Mart I'm sure, so if you, I, and 90% of American's support this crap and DON'T care. We're capitalist, which just means we make a business of not caring.
 

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I did the clothing check.

Made in USA Shirt
Made in in Mexico from US components shorts
and nice clean, made in Honduras underwear.

I try to buy "Made in the US" or from US based companies as much as possible.

The same sweat shops outed by human rights groups are mentioned in the article as also outing Toyota.

The workers in KY are complaining because even the skilled trade workers and not just the ex-burger flippers are having their jobs replaced by "temporary" workers. It not that people are applying for temporary work. Toyota labels the position as temporary to avoid paying full pay and benefits. I have talked to people who work at the factory.

How a company treats their employees is a concern of Americans especially if they are working for Toyota. It goes to the mindset of the company and shows their true core beliefs.

I would like to see if these charges have real merit or not. More verification is needed by me.

I would also like to say because some companies abuse their workers doesn't make it ok that Toyota ( or any other company) does it. On that subject I don't want to reconsider my position.
 

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I made sure that the shoes I bought recently were the New Balance shoes that are made in the USA. I also ran across some cushioned insoles that were made in the USA and snatched those up for my uncomfortable, crappy, made in China work shoes that I should've never bought. I also made sure the 20" fan I bought recently was assembled in the USA, unlike the one next to it for five dollars less that you have to assemble yourself. I also made sure that all of the replacement parts that I ordered and put on my car were made in the USA. Oh, and I'm going to start buying some of my clothes from a few of the union made clothing websites out there.

*Pats self on the back and salutes the American flag* :patriot:
 
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