[OctaneZ28]

Toyota began recalling 264,000 luxury passenger vehicles over faulty fuel pipes Thursday, including 49,000 flagship Lexus cars sold overseas, the company said.

Included in the recall are Lexus models produced in Japan in 2005 and sold overseas, and Lexus, Mark X, and Crown models sold in Japan, according to Toyota Motor Corp. (Charts) spokeswoman Yoshie Matsuura.

Faulty fuel pipe design on the recalled models could cause cracks and corrosion and lead to a fuel leak, according to a notice filed with the Transport Ministry.

In the United States, 26,274 Lexus GS300, 5,429 Lexus IS250, and 2,640 Lexus IS350 vehicles are being recalled, Matsuura said. The recalled models were exported from Japan, she said, adding that the same models were also being recalled in Canada, England, and Germany.


.......well, at least Toyota is being Toyota this year.

 

[Dragoneye]

:lol: you know... It's the customers fault! not Toyota! These **** drivers just....er, they....um. THEY put the wrong fuel in! But Toyota's being gracious and recalling the cars.

I was going to go to bed...but I figured what the hell, I'll check the site once more...I can sleep happy tonight.:rotflmao: I don't know what it is about Toyota the perfect company's recalls that make me so giddy. But it does! :lol::lol::lol:

 

[Luwinkle]

It's the fact that they are recalling SO MUCH SO OFTEN!

 

[urbanlegend]

At first, it was sort of humorous but now I can only ask, what the hell is going on over at Toyota? Are they suicidal? Jeebus, they SUCK anymore.

 

[dshane]

I just wish everyone got to hear about it and not just us car nuts.

 

[brandonppr]

I just wish everyone got to hear about it and not just us car nuts.

Me too.

 

[Devryn]

God **** guys...You guys really hate Toyota. I just don't understand it. Every car company has recalls. Seems to me GM recalled 800,000 vehicles a year or two ago due to faulty breaks. Four years ago Ford recalled almost every SUV and small truck sold because the tires were blowing out and killing people.

Is it because they're not union? Certainly it's not because there a foreign company? They have thousands of jobs right here in the US. It can't be a foreign economics thing. I almost guarantee if you add up all the crap you have in your home, you'd find that you have spent more money in China and Taiwan.

So what is it exactly? Please enlighten me over what it is you hate about Toyota, especially over other brands like Honda and Nissan. Is it because they're number 2 now? GM is still #1...Only Ford guys should be bitching. Or maybe it's because Toyota was the first to really market the hybrid/green thing successfully? You know, while GM was still saying "we don't focus on cars cuz everyone wants our trucks and SUVs." That kinda bit them in the ass didn't it?

 

[dshane]

God **** guys...You guys really hate Toyota. I just don't understand it. Every car company has recalls. Seems to me GM recalled 800,000 vehicles a year or two ago due to faulty breaks. Four years ago Ford recalled almost every SUV and small truck sold because the tires were blowing out and killing people.

Is it because they're not union? Nope not union is a plus in my book Certainly it's not because there a foreign company? Thats a big part of it. And they pretend to be American They have thousands of jobs right here in the US. It can't be a foreign economics thing. I almost guarantee if you add up all the crap you have in your home, you'd find that you have spent more money in China and Taiwan. Thats not something I am proud of but I cant buy an American made TV.

So what is it exactly? Please enlighten me over what it is you hate about Toyota, especially over other brands like Honda and Nissan. Is it because they're number 2 now? GM is still #1...Only Ford guys should be bitching. No I hate those other brands just as much they just dont pop up here as often Or maybe it's because Toyota was the first to really market the hybrid/green thing successfully? I have never bought a car based on mpg so thats not it eitherYou know, while GM was still saying "we don't focus on cars cuz everyone wants our trucks and SUVs." That kinda bit them in the ass didn't it?

I think its because they (foriegn automakers) are the easiest target for my disgust of the ignorance of people to what is happening to our country. Not just in cars but in a variety of other industries and attitudes.

When GM has a recall its called a recall and they admit it not hide it.
Besides this is a Chevy oriented site and they aint Chevy.

 

[Dragoneye]

I don't like them because of the reputation they have (gulp) earned. I do give it to them for earning it. However, today is different than the 80's and 90's. Despite being on par with GM...people still believe that they will be screwed if they purchase an American vehicle.
IMHO, if there were more people loyal, and willing to stick it out, GM wouldn't have stumbled. On the other hand...it's unlikely that they would have cleaned up their act if they haven't stumbled.

I do dislike them because they're a foreign company. Fine, import cars...but not that many! <= I also understand that that isn't realistic, but I still feel the way I feel.:screwy:
In fact, I don't hate Toyota more than I hate Nissan, or Mitsubishi, or Hundai, or Honda...or any of the others. I hate them all the same. And my stance has always been that no matter where you make stuff, your company's 'nationality' is defined wherever you originated.(does that make sense? ) GM is a global company; Toyota is a global company. but one is American/Domestic, and the other is Japanese/foriegn.

I understand that most of the crap we buy is from China or Japan. And I find that to be unacceptable. If there is a competing product that is American-made (be it actually here, or by an American company) then that takes priority over witch item I buy. Some might find that stupid...but meh.

Don't take me for an ALL-American die-hard...I, more than most, realize that we now live in a global society. Ever since the internet...the world has just become more and more 'flat'. <= If you know what I mean, and where I got that from, then kudos to you:thumbsup: I understand and accept that we need to import and buy things. But I also believe we are not exporting enough. Hence, my issue with Asian companies pretty much taking over our product markets.

I tend to view the automotive industry as a war...even though I don't like it when Bush does that with other things... I think that the Domestic(I'm not so jaded as to believing there is still a 100% American company anymore) companies are outgunned, and outnumbered. Yet, I think they are holding there ownatriot:. Which is why any 'defeat' like this I see Toyota take, it makes my day a little brighter. None moreso than when ConsumerReports finally realized they'd have to actually test Toyotas before they reccomend them.:BangHead:

So....sorry for the rant. And if I came off as though I was targeting anybody - it wasn't intentional, and I apologise. I'm just VERY emotional about this subject.

 

[Devryn]

GM, Ford and especially Chrysler have made HUGE mistakes which is why the industry is where it is right now. I harbor no prejudices since I like cars for being cars. I have a special place though for Toyota right now because my 03 Corolla is the best car I've ever owned. The interior is quiet and comfortable, the engine is peppy enough for passing power even at 65 mph, and best of all, I beat the **** out of that car every day and it still gives me 31 mpg city and 36 mpg hwy and has never missed a beat (those are real world MPG numbers btw...)

 

[brandonppr]

I don't hate Toyota, but I will say I think the main thing is that Toyota is seen as the pefect car company. It rarely gets reported when Toyota has a problem. When most people see it reported and Toyota says "oh it was just being driven wrong" "the customer did this or that" people just say oh OK its not Toyota's fault. On the other hand when GM has a problem then its the biggest news ever and people say "I'm glad I bought a Toyota". GM is ALWAYS the underdog in the media.

I like to point out that Toyota is NOT perfect as they are portrayed by the media. Toyota has problems too. Just like everyone else.

To me it seems like Toyota is going thru what GM has gone thru already. They are having major growing pains. They are getting a little greedy IMO. There profits are thru the roof right? could they not have spent a little of that to ensure that everything was as perfect as it could be with there cars/trucks? It seems like a lot of the recent issues were very simple things but very big problems. Its like they didn't really test things like they should have. Most of the problems are in the engineering department too.

 

[brandonppr]

Look here, we found the problem before the recall:

http://www.5thgen.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3207

 

[Luwinkle]

I loathe Toyota. Mainly because, well, it's Toyota.
If you like what I despise, then don't read my posts, no need to derail this into a rant thread.
Devryn, you seem to be a bit moody. At times you're all nice and easy to get along with. Then you flip into uber-rant-youallsuckass-mode.

I'm glad Toyota is experiencing many troubles, trouble them into bankruptcy, PLEASE.

The reason why GM/Ford/Chrysler is hated on by the media is because, well, it's American. And in the Media's eyes if it is American then it is bad and evil. And if it is from another country it's the best thing since pasteurized cheese.

 

[LorcinLS1]

I have too many reasons to list. toyota is NOT a US company and its sales threaten US companies. I think their sedans are boring and cheap made for a premium price.

 

[Devryn]

Lulu, your opinions (hate) on foreign companies are often immature and not based on fact and therefore unreasonable, especially from someone who drives a 2.2L truck that is almost entirely Japanese. The Motor is yamaha, the design and transmission are Isuzu. Because they are who the are is NOT a valid argument. It's an ignorant and immature arguement.

I didn't say anyone sucked, I asked a question. I said that ALL car companies have recalls, and I think that Toyota is finally going through growing pains. Nobody seems to care that the recalls that make headlines for US companies are only the recalls that cause serious harm to safety (tires blowing out, breaks failing, cruise control sensors causing major fires), whereas Japanese companies have a recall which causes a relatively minor inconvenience like a little fuel leaking (without a fire hazard), or an engine stops running not causing any danger and people just coast to a stop and it's major news. When this happens, you all go into your "screw the foreign companies!" GMs flagship C5 came out with brakelines that were burning up because they ran them NEXT TO THE EXHAUST. They released trucks in the late 90s that didn't even have coolant passages in the block.

Sorry, I hold no loyalty to any car company. My Toyota happens to be the best car I've ever owned, so when it's time for another small car, I'll probably look there second (the new Malibu is just too cool).

What I HATE, and I'm not ranting Lulu I'm stating my opinion, is people with unreasonable hatred based on absolutely nothing. I LOVE CARS. I don't love brands, I love anything and everything automotive. I also recognize that NOBODY is perfect, and therefore don't expect them to be, so bastardizing a car company that makes generally good cars over a relatively minor problem is ludicrous. People make cars, and people aren't perfect. Blasting a car company because Consumer Reports admitted they didn't do a thorough evaluation is also ridiculous. You should blast Consumer Reports, not the car company. That didn't reflect poorly on Toyota, it reflected poorly on a service that many people turn to for reliable information, yet all anybody could say was "Take that Toyota."

I beat the **** out of my car on a daily basis. I'm never gentle to it. Hell, they should change their name to Timex.

Edit: Let me define "reasonable."

Reasonable hate for a manufacturer: "I bought this brand new Camry, fully loaded and got taken for $35K for the car. It was in the shop every week! A wheel fell off, the engine seized, the transmission blew chunks all over the highway! I couldn't drive that car. It was the biggest POS ever. I'll never own another Toyota!"

Semi-Reasonable hate: "I knew a guy that had nothing but problems with his new Camry! I probably won't ever buy a Toyota!"

F'n Ridiculous hate: "I hate them because they are who they are. I've never owned one, nor ever known anyone personally who had problems, but every time I hear the name 'Toyota' my blood boils!"

 

[Devryn]

I have too many reasons to list. toyota is NOT a US company and its sales threaten US companies. I think their sedans are boring and cheap made for a premium price.

My Corolla is a much better built and better looking car than the Cobalt Sedan, and I paid $14.5 for it brand new and fully loaded. Oh, and I get MUCH better gas mileage than the Cobalt...So exactly HOW are they cheap and overpriced?

 

[OctaneZ28]

A Corolla being better built than a Cobalt... not so sure about that.

The Corolla in hatchback form is the Matrix.
The Matrix is also sold as a Pontiac... the Pontiac Vibe... which in terms of build quality, is statistically GM's worst built car... and it's built by Toyota.

As for one car being "better looking" than the other... that's opinion, and all our opinions are different.

I dislike forigen companies, which anyone here can probably plainly see. I do realize that many day-to-day products used are foreign made, however many of them are American owned. There's a difference.

However, the US automobile industry is a $75 billion dollar industry. That's a pretty big piece of the pie.
Do I dislike foreign carmakers just because their foregin? Yup.
I'm proud to be an American, and I wish to see our domestic companies succeed.

My biggest beef with foreign car companies is Toyota.
For 2 reasons.....
First, they try to come off as an American company.
"Built in Texas" "Built in Indiana." Well, I don't care where your crap is built, it's still foreign.
...one of many examples.
Secondly, they intently and constantly try to deceive the public.
They advertise the 3 different sections of the Tundra's frame (C-channel, double C-channel, and fully boxed) as "a better way of doing it" than the competition. Partial C-channel frame is better than a wholly fully boxed frame? Are they lunatics?
You've also seen how they hide recalls. For example, posted recently the 600,000 Sequoias that are getting repaired... it's not a recall. Why? Cuz Toyota says so?
We've all seen the reports of the problems with the new Tundras and Tacomas... but does Toyota issue a recall for these issues? Nope.
Did you know that you can't own Toyota stock unless you're a Japanese citizen? That stock traded on NYSE (Symbol:TM) is for "Toyota Motor Sales USA", not Toyota as a whole.
...just a few of many examples of deception.

Don't get me wrong, Toyota builds some fantastic cars.
But to say they're so great just because it's Toyota is downright foolish.

 

[Devryn]

A Corolla being better built than a Cobalt... not so sure about that.

The Corolla in hatchback form is the Matrix.
The Matrix is also sold as a Pontiac... the Pontiac Vibe... which in terms of build quality, is statistically GM's worst built car... and it's built by Toyota.

They advertise the 3 different sections of the Tundra's frame (C-channel, double C-channel, and fully boxed) as "a better way of doing it" than the competition. Partial C-channel frame is better than a wholly fully boxed frame? Are they lunatics?

So an American company has never misrepresented a vehicle or claimed something was superior to the other whether it was or not? That's industry. It's the way it works. You can't advertise "Hey! Our stuff is probably sub-par, but it looks good!" In terms of trucks, I agree 100%. Nobody builds them like GM, then Ford, then Dodge.

You've also seen how they hide recalls. For example, posted recently the 600,000 Sequoias that are getting repaired... it's not a recall. Why? Cuz Toyota says so?
We've all seen the reports of the problems with the new Tundras and Tacomas... but does Toyota issue a recall for these issues? Nope.

So you're bastardizing a company for repairing something before a recall is issued, which is a good thing. Recalls are a forced action. A voluntary repair shows that they really stepped up.

Second, in most cases, a recall is not issued during a new models bumper to bumper warranty. They recognize the problem, fix it internally (usually), and make repairs as people bring them in for warranty issues. THEN if a recall is still necessary, it is issued. Since both of these vehicles are still WELL within their initial 3 year bumper to bumper, don't expect a voluntary repair or recall for at least another year. That's business.

Did you know that you can't own Toyota stock unless you're a Japanese citizen? That stock traded on NYSE (Symbol:TM) is for "Toyota Motor Sales USA", not Toyota as a whole.

I'm not interested in their stock.

Toyota builds some fantastic cars.
But to say they're so great just because it's Toyota is downright foolish.

And to bastardize them for a few relatively minor quality control issues is downright unreasonable.

 

[OctaneZ28]

That's industry. It's the way it works. You can't advertise "Hey! Our stuff is probably sub-par, but it looks good!"

You're right and I agree 100%. That is the industry, and you have to make yourself look good. Everyone stretches the truth and manipulates the facts.
Manipulating facts is one thing, but to just lie is foolish.

...in most cases, a recall is not issued during a new models bumper to bumper warranty. They recognize the problem, fix it internally (usually), and make repairs as people bring them in for warranty issues. THEN if a recall is still necessary, it is issued. Since both of these vehicles are still WELL within their initial 3 year bumper to bumper, don't expect a voluntary repair or recall for at least another year. That's business.

I don't see why a recall wouldn't be issued while the warranty is still going. If there's a big enough problem, it should be addressed regardless.
And this goes for all car companies... maybe that's not how it's usually done, but it should be.
Like Nissan, they just recalled 2005 & 2006 cars, most of which are still under the bumper-to-bumper warranty.

Anywho, I think we can agree that there is no perfect automobile, no matter who makes it.

 

[Dragoneye]

What if I said I saw this 'discussion' coming from a mile away?