Who killed the electric car?

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AJC

Discussion Starter · Dec 20, 2007

Look what happened in the 90's? :BangHead:

Who killed the electric car? :BangHead:

http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/trailer

The oil companies put a stop to this promising car from GM that actually worked very well and who says it will not happen again to the Chevy Volt and other electric cars. The oil companies have to much $$$ to lose if the electric or Hydrogen cars are put into production. Honda has a Hydrogen car that is perfected and tested, all they have to do is install hydrogen fuel stations around the world. It's all about the $$$$ so they continue to make cars that burn gas, more than they have to. :BangHead:

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brandonppr

· #2 · Dec 20, 2007

AJC said:
Look what happened in the 90's? :BangHead:

Who killed the electric car? :BangHead:

http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/trailer

The oil companies put a stop to this promising car from GM that actually worked very well and who says it will not happen again to the Chevy Volt and other electric cars. The oil companies have to much $$$ to lose if the electric or Hydrogen cars are put into production. Honda has a Hydrogen car that is perfected and tested, all they have to do is install hydrogen fuel stations around the world. It's all about the $$$$ so they continue to make cars that burn gas, more than they have to. :BangHead:

I have watched that movie and I am not too convinced by it.

I think it was a different enviroment back then. It was much harder to get people to buy these cars and they were expensive. GM could not leave these cars on the streets. The people that had them were well off people and it only amounted to a few. You couldn't charge it with a regular plug either. I think this was a great test by GM though that has prepared them for now.

If the oil companies want to kill these new cars they have to lower the cost of oil. That will take out the main purpose of building a car, to sell it. If gas prices were lower not many would consider electric cars. As of now it doesn't look like thats going to happen anytime soon, but if everyone does start buying these cars I think the oil companies may drop the price for a while to see if they can kill them off.

I do have a few questions for electric cars though.

-How much will it cost to charge them every night?
-Will it cost as much as gasoline for my electric bill?
-Will the use of electric pollute more or less?
-Can the power grid handle it if everyone bought one? (I know sometimes in the summer some bussiness have to shut down because of low energy and we are asked to cut back on electric use)

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AJC

Discussion Starter · #3 · Dec 20, 2007

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/paul-interview.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Mpe7XfODk

http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/trailer

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Columns/articleId=115786#

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/5d7ee60b60a5c010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

brandonppr

· #4 · Dec 20, 2007 (Edited)

POSTS MERGED, thanks

$¢'s 5th Gen

· #5 · Dec 20, 2007

Also when extreme weather happens, no matter what part of the country you live in, power can be lost for up to a week. Then we would be unable to charge the cars and cant go anywhere:BangHead:

AJC

Discussion Starter · #6 · Dec 20, 2007

brandonppr said:
I have watched that movie and I am not too convinced by it.

I think it was a different enviroment back then. It was much harder to get people to buy these cars and they were expensive. GM could not leave these cars on the streets. The people that had them were well off people and it only amounted to a few. You couldn't charge it with a regular plug either. I think this was a great test by GM though that has prepared them for now.

If the oil companies want to kill these new cars they have to lower the cost of oil. That will take out the main purpose of building a car, to sell it. If gas prices were lower not many would consider electric cars. As of now it doesn't look like thats going to happen anytime soon, but if everyone does start buying these cars I think the oil companies may drop the price for a while to see if they can kill them off.

I do have a few questions for electric cars though.

-How much will it cost to charge them every night?
-Will it cost as much as gasoline for my electric bill?
-Will the use of electric pollute more or less?
-Can the power grid handle it if everyone bought one? (I know sometimes in the summer some bussiness have to shut down because of low energy and we are asked to cut back on electric use)

A similar thing happened in the 70's. Back in the day the Ford LTD station wagon with a V8 got around 10 to 15 mpg. As the story goes an experimental carburetor was put on one on these LTD's and was accidentally sold to a consumer. This person thought something was wrong with the car because she was getting 70 + mpg. She took the car back to the Ford dealership and the experimental carburetor was discovered, shall I say anymore. I am convinced that we have the technology for cars to get 100 mpg + using many different fuel/electric/hydrogen ... but the world has too much $$$$$ invested in the current combustion gas eating engines. You would not believe what the government is keeping from us.

Here is something you can dwell on – the current nuclear reactors generate a great deal of power and emit no pollutants in the air BUT they can be very dangerous if there is a meltdown as we all know + nuclear waist is a big problem. There is currently a solution to these problems with nuclear power. The source needed to power the current nuclear power plants is the dangerous stuff. The solution has been solved and is currently working. Solution – instead of using uranium, use healium-3 which generates no heat that can cause a melt down and also emits no pollutants in the air. One problem “but there is a viable solution” there is very little Healium-3 on earth. Where is healium-3 is found? “The Moon that has an abundant amount”. About 25 tones of He3 would power the United States for 1 year at our current rate of energy consumption. To put it in perspective: that's about the weight of a fully loaded railroad box car, or a maximum Space Shuttle payload. We have the technology to go to the moon and get all the He3 we need. We are not doing it because that would put A LOT of people out of work + put a major dent in the oil company’s wallet.

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USA1Camaro

· #7 · Dec 20, 2007

I think the hybrid/electric car movement has taken root and it will be hard to stop it. Only battery technology will be a slowing factor. Once that is improved the cars will get better and a growing market will emerge.

I posted up a thread the other day about a manufacturer that is taking current gas powered Minis and converting them to electric. To top it off is it that they are going to be selling them at Wal-Mart.

http://www.5thgen.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3892

The price to recharge a Volt is supposed to cost pennies in electricity, making much cheaper to run than gasoline. The next problem will be making enough electricity cheaper.

brandonppr

· #8 · Dec 20, 2007 (Edited)

USA1Camaro said:
I think the hybrid/electric car movement has taken root and it will be hard to stop it. Only battery technology will be a slowing factor. Once that is improved the cars will get better and a growing market will emerge.

I posted up a thread the other day about a manufacturer that is taking current gas powered Minis and converting them to electric. To top it off is it that they are going to be selling them at Wal-Mart.

http://www.5thgen.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3892

The price to recharge a Volt is supposed to cost pennies in electricity, making much cheaper to run than gasoline. The next problem will be making enough electricity cheaper.

I agree the movement is already in place.

I think the oil companies have pushed too hard and are making the movement happen. Once it does finally become the norm to have a dd such as the VOLT and I did a little research and it looks like it would cost a little less than $1 a to go 40 miles then the oil company can't match that. They would have to lower gas to less than $2 a gallon or car companies would have to make gas cars that get over 80mpg without a battery.

I think the main thing is to get an infastructure in place for the extra electricity needed.

LT16SPEED

· #9 · Dec 20, 2007

$¢'s 5th Gen said:
Also when extreme weather happens, no matter what part of the country you live in, power can be lost for up to a week. Then we would be unable to charge the cars and cant go anywhere:BangHead:

Excellent point. I guess we should do as the "treehuggers" would do....ride a bicycle...or a horse!:lol:

dshane

· #10 · Dec 20, 2007

AJC said:
A similar thing happened in the 70's. Back in the day the Ford LTD station wagon with a V8 got around 10 to 15 mpg. As the story goes an experimental carburetor was put on one on these LTD's and was accidentally sold to a consumer. This person thought something was wrong with the car because she was getting 70 + mpg. She took the car back to the Ford dealership and the experimental carburetor was discovered, shall I say anymore. I am convinced that we have the technology for cars to get 100 mpg + using many different fuel/electric/hydrogen ... but the world has too much $$$$$ invested in the current combustion gas eating engines. You would not believe what the government is keeping from us.

Here is something you can dwell on – the current nuclear reactors generate a great deal of power and emit no pollutants in the air BUT they can be very dangerous if there is a meltdown as we all know + nuclear waist is a big problem. There is currently a solution to these problems with nuclear power. The source needed to power the current nuclear power plants is the dangerous stuff. The solution has been solved and is currently working. Solution – instead of using uranium, use healium-3 which generates no heat that can cause a melt down and also emits no pollutants in the air. One problem “but there is a viable solution” there is very little Healium-3 on earth. Where is healium-3 is found? “The Moon that has an abundant amount”. About 25 tones of He3 would power the United States for 1 year at our current rate of energy consumption. To put it in perspective: that's about the weight of a fully loaded railroad box car, or a maximum Space Shuttle payload. We have the technology to go to the moon and get all the He3 we need. We are not doing it because that would put A LOT of people out of work + put a major dent in the oil company’s wallet.

Conspiracy theory aside, how can you run a steam turbine without heat???

dshane

· #11 · Dec 20, 2007

AJC said:
A similar thing happened in the 70's. Back in the day the Ford LTD station wagon with a V8 got around 10 to 15 mpg. As the story goes an experimental carburetor was put on one on these LTD's and was accidentally sold to a consumer. This person thought something was wrong with the car because she was getting 70 + mpg. She took the car back to the Ford dealership and the experimental carburetor was discovered, shall I say anymore. I am convinced that we have the technology for cars to get 100 mpg + using many different fuel/electric/hydrogen ... but the world has too much $$$$$ invested in the current combustion gas eating engines. You would not believe what the government is keeping from us.

Here is something you can dwell on – the current nuclear reactors generate a great deal of power and emit no pollutants in the air BUT they can be very dangerous if there is a meltdown as we all know + nuclear waist is a big problem. There is currently a solution to these problems with nuclear power. The source needed to power the current nuclear power plants is the dangerous stuff. The solution has been solved and is currently working. Solution – instead of using uranium, use healium-3 which generates no heat that can cause a melt down and also emits no pollutants in the air. One problem “but there is a viable solution” there is very little Healium-3 on earth. Where is healium-3 is found? “The Moon that has an abundant amount”. About 25 tones of He3 would power the United States for 1 year at our current rate of energy consumption. To put it in perspective: that's about the weight of a fully loaded railroad box car, or a maximum Space Shuttle payload. We have the technology to go to the moon and get all the He3 we need. We are not doing it because that would put A LOT of people out of work + put a major dent in the oil company’s wallet.

Now to the conspiracies, dont you think the the magical 100mpg carb, stressing the magical, would have been on every car GM has built in the last few years? How better to sell every car you could possibly build and more than one that get 100mpg. That would have killed off any finacial problems and probably all other manufactures as well.

The government cant keep track of the **** its supposed to, how the hell are they hiding all of this "super" technology? Is it in Hanger 19 next door to the aliens? Come on man, use a little common sense.

AJC

Discussion Starter · #12 · Dec 20, 2007

dshane said:
Now to the conspiracies, dont you think the the magical 100mpg carb, stressing the magical, would have been on every car GM has built in the last few years? How better to sell every car you could possibly build and more than one that get 100mpg. That would have killed off any finacial problems and probably all other manufactures as well.

The government cant keep track of the **** its supposed to, how the hell are they hiding all of this "super" technology? Is it in Hanger 19 next door to the aliens? Come on man, use a little common sense.

The oil companies bought them out as they did with the EV-1 in 2003.

AJC

Discussion Starter · #13 · Dec 20, 2007

dshane said:
Conspiracy theory aside, how can you run a steam turbine without heat???

It does not generate heat like the current nuclear plants which need water to cool down - no core melt down possible..

dshane

· #14 · Dec 20, 2007

AJC said:
It does not generate heat like the current nuclear plants which need water to cool down - no core melt down possible..

Then what generates the electricity?

Mikesan

· #15 · Dec 20, 2007

AJC said:
A similar thing happened in the 70's. Back in the day the Ford LTD station wagon with a V8 got around 10 to 15 mpg. As the story goes an experimental carburetor was put on one on these LTD's and was accidentally sold to a consumer. This person thought something was wrong with the car because she was getting 70 + mpg. She took the car back to the Ford dealership and the experimental carburetor was discovered, shall I say anymore. I am convinced that we have the technology for cars to get 100 mpg + using many different fuel/electric/hydrogen ... but the world has too much $$$$$ invested in the current combustion gas eating engines. You would not believe what the government is keeping from us.

Here is something you can dwell on – the current nuclear reactors generate a great deal of power and emit no pollutants in the air BUT they can be very dangerous if there is a meltdown as we all know + nuclear waist is a big problem. There is currently a solution to these problems with nuclear power. The source needed to power the current nuclear power plants is the dangerous stuff. The solution has been solved and is currently working. Solution – instead of using uranium, use healium-3 which generates no heat that can cause a melt down and also emits no pollutants in the air. One problem “but there is a viable solution” there is very little Healium-3 on earth. Where is healium-3 is found? “The Moon that has an abundant amount”. About 25 tones of He3 would power the United States for 1 year at our current rate of energy consumption. To put it in perspective: that's about the weight of a fully loaded railroad box car, or a maximum Space Shuttle payload. We have the technology to go to the moon and get all the He3 we need. We are not doing it because that would put A LOT of people out of work + put a major dent in the oil company’s wallet.

To the above two claims I say you are either a fantasy novelist or have been spending too much time on the conspiracy/environmental wacko sites. Any proof to back up your claims?

Chuggernaut

· #16 · Dec 20, 2007 (Edited)

100 mpg carb, eh?

http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp
http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/fish3.htm

And helium-3? Too bad we'd have to mine it from the moon, the only place where it's readily available outside of a nuclear reactor.

BTW -- I have some oceanside property in Utah that I'll sell to you if you're interested... :lol:

brandonppr

· #17 · Dec 20, 2007

Urban legends

CUONCRS

· #18 · Dec 21, 2007

There's a french car company doing it. I think there's some heat, but the heat needed is not that hot, and the energy needed is less than what you get from the steam turbine. I haven't seen much about it, but enough to know that it's viable.

Dan

· #19 · Dec 21, 2007

I think the big difference between then and now is that then it was done for emissions as much as any other reason. Now it is being done because people are afraid of $4-$5 gallon gas prices and that is why it wont go away this time.

AJC

Discussion Starter · #20 · Dec 21, 2007

Mikesan said:
To the above two claims I say you are either a fantasy novelist or have been spending too much time on the conspiracy/environmental wacko sites. Any proof to back up your claims?

Here's the proof --> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_000630.html

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