Hello all ;
I am new to the MC community and unfortunately my first post is not the most positive. Kickback, grab a snack ! my apologies ahead of time for the long read.
I purchased my "New to me" 2012 3.6L Camaro (Black) with only 21,000KMs on the clock. I loved the car from the get go, even despite my HORRIBLE experience with the dealership that I purchased it from (That's another story).
After approximately 5,000kms of driving, I started to notice what sounded like a soft lifter, or a lifter unable to pump up properly, now some would say the LFX does not have lifters, but it certainly does, just not the ones us SBC guys are used to seeing. This sound comes from the drivers cylinder head and can be heard easiest when in a drive-through, or when I open my door at idle.
I owned a Solstice and certainly am familiar with what a properly operating DI setup sounds like in all its glory, the hard part is trying to get a technician to not automatically puke out the automated response " Oh that's just the normal noises the High Pressure Fuel Pump Makes, or the Injectors are injecting at 1,00000,00000000,0000 PSI....... " Rubbish.
So two months ago I made an appointment to have it checked out, I left it with them over night, and low and behold I get the call the next day that "Everything is normal, we were not able to reproduce the sound you describe".
With that said, I continued to drive the car knowing very well whatever issues I was having would rear its ugly head eventually and surely it did.
That brings me to the reason of this post. I had an appointment with the dealership today, (2 months after original visit) and I took the technician aside and showed him the DI TSB for normal noises, and explained to him how my situation has nothing to do with the TSB. The technician then says "Oh yes, what you are hearing is valvetrain noise, this is very common on these engines".
**** I nearly lost it on the poor soul folks..... This car is quietest when cold, only ticks when hot, that rules out the DI setup right there. the issue is due to hydraulic lash mechanism, low oil psi, soft cam or excessive valve clearance, no brain is needed here ..... BUT ! even after personally listening to 3 new 3.6L Camaros, and 3 used Camaros with varying KMs on them (none of them make this noise, in fact they were all MUCH quieter than mine ever was. here comes the best part.
After rambling on and stumbling over his words, his response to me was " We will not tear the engine apart", and "This is not excessive valvetrain noise" (even though I told him several times that this is the quietest you'll hear it, maybe you should keep it here until you can classify it as excessive like I have"
I then told him, that I no longer wish to own the car if this is considered to be NORMAL, and that he should put me into contact with his manager so that I may voice my concerns with him/her as well, as it really is that loud folks, Ive included a video but I don't think it does much justice, if a city bus pulls up beside me, I can here the ticking over his flipping diesel motor !!
He then says to me "I will seek approval to replace your HPFP" . I said to him "Can I leave the car hear with you ? so that you can PROPERLY diagnose whats wrong with it ? "
" No need to leave it here, Chevrolet will not approve the replacement of lifters, pistons,cam, cam followers or the cylinder head". but he's going to try and throw a part at it that's guaranteed not to correct the issue ??
This needs to be escalated , I cannot drive this car as it is ridiculously embarrassing.
Chevy Buy back ? whats the qualifications for that ?
Canadas version of the Lemon Law "Canvap ???"
Any advice would be greatly appreciated guys, I work very hard for my money and Ive just started to finance this wonderful machine.
HELP !!!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twHw4VUuV3w&feature=youtu.be)
I am new to the MC community and unfortunately my first post is not the most positive. Kickback, grab a snack ! my apologies ahead of time for the long read.
I purchased my "New to me" 2012 3.6L Camaro (Black) with only 21,000KMs on the clock. I loved the car from the get go, even despite my HORRIBLE experience with the dealership that I purchased it from (That's another story).
After approximately 5,000kms of driving, I started to notice what sounded like a soft lifter, or a lifter unable to pump up properly, now some would say the LFX does not have lifters, but it certainly does, just not the ones us SBC guys are used to seeing. This sound comes from the drivers cylinder head and can be heard easiest when in a drive-through, or when I open my door at idle.
I owned a Solstice and certainly am familiar with what a properly operating DI setup sounds like in all its glory, the hard part is trying to get a technician to not automatically puke out the automated response " Oh that's just the normal noises the High Pressure Fuel Pump Makes, or the Injectors are injecting at 1,00000,00000000,0000 PSI....... " Rubbish.
So two months ago I made an appointment to have it checked out, I left it with them over night, and low and behold I get the call the next day that "Everything is normal, we were not able to reproduce the sound you describe".
With that said, I continued to drive the car knowing very well whatever issues I was having would rear its ugly head eventually and surely it did.
That brings me to the reason of this post. I had an appointment with the dealership today, (2 months after original visit) and I took the technician aside and showed him the DI TSB for normal noises, and explained to him how my situation has nothing to do with the TSB. The technician then says "Oh yes, what you are hearing is valvetrain noise, this is very common on these engines".
**** I nearly lost it on the poor soul folks..... This car is quietest when cold, only ticks when hot, that rules out the DI setup right there. the issue is due to hydraulic lash mechanism, low oil psi, soft cam or excessive valve clearance, no brain is needed here ..... BUT ! even after personally listening to 3 new 3.6L Camaros, and 3 used Camaros with varying KMs on them (none of them make this noise, in fact they were all MUCH quieter than mine ever was. here comes the best part.
After rambling on and stumbling over his words, his response to me was " We will not tear the engine apart", and "This is not excessive valvetrain noise" (even though I told him several times that this is the quietest you'll hear it, maybe you should keep it here until you can classify it as excessive like I have"
I then told him, that I no longer wish to own the car if this is considered to be NORMAL, and that he should put me into contact with his manager so that I may voice my concerns with him/her as well, as it really is that loud folks, Ive included a video but I don't think it does much justice, if a city bus pulls up beside me, I can here the ticking over his flipping diesel motor !!
He then says to me "I will seek approval to replace your HPFP" . I said to him "Can I leave the car hear with you ? so that you can PROPERLY diagnose whats wrong with it ? "
" No need to leave it here, Chevrolet will not approve the replacement of lifters, pistons,cam, cam followers or the cylinder head". but he's going to try and throw a part at it that's guaranteed not to correct the issue ??
This needs to be escalated , I cannot drive this car as it is ridiculously embarrassing.
Chevy Buy back ? whats the qualifications for that ?
Canadas version of the Lemon Law "Canvap ???"
Any advice would be greatly appreciated guys, I work very hard for my money and Ive just started to finance this wonderful machine.
HELP !!!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twHw4VUuV3w&feature=youtu.be)
I uber sad chevy owner. I have great connections in the social media scene, it cert as inly would be in chevys best interest to take care of this customer.
